I use a trackpad to avoid virtually all of the issues created by a mouse. The trackpad gestures in macOS are magical.
Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
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Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#102Opensource alternatives: - https://github.com/moverest/wl-kbptr - https://github.com/petoncle/mousemaster - https://github.com/y3owk1n/neru - https://github.com/mjrusso/scoot - https://github.com/jbensmann/mouseless - https://github.com/rvaiya/warpd (not really maintained anymore)
warpd, properly configured, was working perfectly for me.
until i realized i 99% needed it for web surfing. so i switched to kinkHints in firefox, which is covering my link clicking need.
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#103I use a trackpad to avoid virtually all of the issues created by a mouse. The trackpad gestures in macOS are magical.
I have a small Logitech laser mouse with a few auxiliary buttons, horizontal click scroll, and an unlock able wheel for fast scrolling. One button opens up workspace view (four fingers up), side scroll switches between works spaces (four fingers sideways). When my laptop is setup on my desk at home with monitor and keyboard attached this is much more comfortable and efficient than using the track pad. That’s said, MacBook track pads are magic.
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re right that lots of Windows apps were designed with Keyboard only workflows in mind. It’s a shame that MacOS has so many points where if you don’t have a mouse you’re out of luck. There is one major improvement you can do on Mac, at least for menus: https://varun.ch/posts/macos-keyboard/
Obviously depends on your workflow but I think I use mouse only on websites on macos (with aerospace)
If you're interested in keyboard navigation of websites, consider a browser or extension with link hinting support! It worked really well in my experience a few years ago, although I've since became much more of a mouse guy and stopped using it.
Qutebrowser was my favorite browser for keyboard navigation but firefox, chrome, etc. have extensions for this as well.
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#105Can someone who hates/chooses not to use a mouse please explain to me why.
Like I can understand people with disabilities that makes sense so that’s not what I’m talking about
I’m talking about people who are actively choosing to be keyboard only, especially in extremely technical roles
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#106I use a trackpad to avoid virtually all of the issues created by a mouse. The trackpad gestures in macOS are magical.
What are the issues that a mouse creates?
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#107Opensource alternatives: - https://github.com/moverest/wl-kbptr - https://github.com/petoncle/mousemaster - https://github.com/y3owk1n/neru - https://github.com/mjrusso/scoot - https://github.com/jbensmann/mouseless - https://github.com/rvaiya/warpd (not really maintained anymore)
> https://github.com/y3owk1n/neru
...which supports Vimium-style hints mode as well as the grid-based approach shown in this "Mouseless (app) explained in 80 seconds" video. It also has a very responsive maintainer.
Personally I like vimium's approach much better than the grid. Unfortunately not everything has a good accessibility tree (Zed sadly doesn't), but I just realized loading neru's page that I'm behind in versions. I haven't tried the "Native Vision OCR" addition to hints mode yet.
I also like having a trackpad right on the keyboard (using a SoflePLUS2 right now though I'm not totally sold on column stagger). Then I can use a real pointing device with only a slight movement of one hand. In the Mouseless video, the creator has tried to minimize the distance by putting the mouse between the halves of his keyboard, but I think he's both compromised the keyboard position to ease using the mouse (arms wide and parallel with wrists turned inward rather than arms converging toward a more splayed keyboard with somewhat closer halves, untented to minimize vertical separation compared to the mouse) and might have an uncomfortably small mousepad to avoid doing this even more. Not a compromise I'd want to make.
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#108If you wanted to go in the other direction, you could achieve more productivity with faster mouse skills. The competitive FPS genre has spawned a bunch of aim training tools[0] to improve muscle memory. [0] https://www.3daimtrainer.com/
If you wanted to go in the other direction, you could achieve more productivity with faster mouse skills.
I was always in the camp that believed that the keyboard was always faster than mouse for complex workflows.
Then a couple of weeks ago I spent most of a day in a hospital emergency room with someone, and couldn't believe the way those E.R. nurses fly through the menus and options in Epic using just a mouse.
I'm now closer to believing that "muscle memory is muscle memory." But I suspect it only works if the windows appear in the exact same place all the time.
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#109I've been building the same thing for a while https://github.com/huytd/octocmd
It has everything you need to throw away the mouse: keyboard tab switching, search and click, vim-style clicking, keyboard scrolling.
Re: Mouseless – keyboard-driven control of macOS/Linux/Windows
#110For a total opposite tool, there is mousemux (Windows only). You can get multiple mice on the same machine and you can attach a keyboard to each and lock it to a window or a screen.