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You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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Re: You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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The US had ICBMs in the 1950s. The Saturn V was not an ICBM. Staging was not necessary for ICBMs. None of the lunar landing module and equipment was usable for military purposes. NASA was run by civilians, not the military.

https://wamu.org/story/18/09/12/neil-degrasse-tyson-says-sci... Don't take my word for it, Neil Degrasse Tyson says "The Apollo 11 Moon Landing Wasn’t Really About Science"

Tyson: "Things you’ve never done before that are expensive and dangerous and have uncertain returns on investment are simply not done by corporate entities."

A few seconds of googling turned up:

"Robert Peary’s North Pole Expedition (1909): Backed heavily by the National Geographic Society and The New York Times, alongside wealthy private investors like J.P. Morgan"

Many other exploratory expeditions were funded by both private interests and governments, such as the first transatlantic cable.

Tyson: "when we learned the Soviet Union was not going to the moon, that we just ended it all."

I lived through those times. There were several followup moon landings, but the audience grew bored with it, and so Congress cut the funding.

Tyson is an authority on science, but for anything else he isn't more authoritative than you or I.

BTW, I've read multiple books on the Apollo program. The idea it was run or funded by the military is false. Yes, the astronauts were Air Force test pilots. You know why they were selected? Because test pilots have the perfect skill set to be astronauts. And it paid off handsomely as Armstrong saved two missions from disaster.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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I'm not aware of any relevant research, but to answer the "So what can we do about it?" question I have a wild idea: invert the power structure, with cooperative of workers hiring their managers instead of managers hiring workers. And no, this doesn't automatically lead to the same tree, just inverted, it could form a much flatter structure. I imagine that a cooperative can hire a person who measures the value genera…

Like hiring a personal trainer to yell at you to do 5 more pushups or whatever. Closest thing I can come up with of one party having the authority of paying another party to act as if they were in a position of authority over tre first party.

Reminds me of Medvedev and Putin.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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Re-reading old Paul Graham essays is revealing for how much my startup experience has changed my views. I remember this essay resonating with younger me. Reading it now, I spot the reader-directed flattery much earlier (it literally starts in the title). I also have years of experience with a couple successful and even more failed startup founders behind me. Maybe this essay was discussing narrowly the breakout YC co…

I couldn't agree more. At this stage of my career, if I were to go back to an early stage startup, I would only consider a startup where the founder(s) had successful experience as at least a frontline manager. That provides a high chance that they will understand what it takes to successfully manage a team and, hopefully, a larger organization.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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I'm not aware of any relevant research, but to answer the "So what can we do about it?" question I have a wild idea: invert the power structure, with cooperative of workers hiring their managers instead of managers hiring workers. And no, this doesn't automatically lead to the same tree, just inverted, it could form a much flatter structure. I imagine that a cooperative can hire a person who measures the value genera…

I believe something like this is the future... fully open and cooperative organizational structures, where members fund projects and all decision making and financing is fully transparent. Also no idea whether it could actually work, but I don't see why not. The open source movement/community shows us a lot is possible.

Look into Haier's RenDanHeYi philosophy. One of my ambitions is to adopt that model when I start a company, and I think it is awesome and the future.

BTW, seems like we think similarly regarding this. Wanna exchange contact info? my email is mclaren212@gmail.com if you're interested in connecting

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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Without a firm proposal of what a company can or should do instead, this just becomes another example of complaints being easier to make than actual solutions. We all know that large corps are structured in a way that eliminates individual initiative. So what can we do about it? I've heard of "hierarchy-less" company structures being attempted before. I've also heard that each and every one of those attempts always e…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission-type_tactics Disasters and the initial push of any war show what is possible. Like the playbook is already know. Strict hierarchy with decision making power at the bottom. This may sound contradictory, sure. However, it works like this: the top sets a goal, the bottom decides how to get it done. Person closest to the problem then leads. We know it works. It happens every time a l…

Thank you for the resource!

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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Without a firm proposal of what a company can or should do instead, this just becomes another example of complaints being easier to make than actual solutions. We all know that large corps are structured in a way that eliminates individual initiative. So what can we do about it? I've heard of "hierarchy-less" company structures being attempted before. I've also heard that each and every one of those attempts always e…

The people doing the actual work should have secretaries, not managers.

I'll be sure to bring that up at my next team meeting.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US had ICBMs in the 1950s. The Saturn V was not an ICBM. Staging was not necessary for ICBMs. None of the lunar landing module and equipment was usable for military purposes. NASA was run by civilians, not the military.

https://wamu.org/story/18/09/12/neil-degrasse-tyson-says-sci... Don't take my word for it, Neil Degrasse Tyson says "The Apollo 11 Moon Landing Wasn’t Really About Science"

I think you’re making a logical leap. Geopolitics!= military.

The Apollo program (even according to NDT) was geopolitically motivated which isn’t necessarily the same thing as being militarily motivated.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://wamu.org/story/18/09/12/neil-degrasse-tyson-says-sci... Don't take my word for it, Neil Degrasse Tyson says "The Apollo 11 Moon Landing Wasn’t Really About Science"

Tyson: "Things you’ve never done before that are expensive and dangerous and have uncertain returns on investment are simply not done by corporate entities." A few seconds of googling turned up: "Robert Peary’s North Pole Expedition (1909): Backed heavily by the National Geographic Society and The New York Times, alongside wealthy private investors like J.P. Morgan" Many other exploratory expeditions were funded by b…

Also, Armstrong gave up his military commission before he was an astronaut. NASA wanted to make it clear the moon landing was not a military operation by having a civilian commander of Apollo 11.

Re: You weren't meant to have a boss (2008)

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I'd be curious if there was research in the opposite direction able to prove that hierarchy is necessary in large organizations if you want to do BigCorp scale things. Intuitively it seems like this might be both a reasonable and a provable conclusion. No matter how smart they are or how well-intentioned, it seems improbable that 10,000 individual contributors running around doing whatever they think is best will eve…

> it seems improbable that 10,000 individual contributors running around doing whatever they think is best will ever result in engineering a new airplane, for example. Individuals and small groups build new airplanes all the time. It's only large aeroplanes that require large teams of people.

> if you want to do BigCorp scale things

I think they were specifically talking about those large aeroplanes

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