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Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by M95D »

nutjob2 wrote: post #13
colechristensen wrote: post #10

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>I wonder if we can do something now that we know the source. Russia signed the 1967 Outer Space Treaty (OST) in 1967, this may be a treaty violation of this or other treaties, something like that or retaliation regarding it may be possible. You can hack the satellite, or use other electronic warfare options to jam or interfere with it's operations. You can shoot it down with a missile. The X-37B is in space right no…

> You can shoot it down with a missile. Obviously a bad idea, but frying it with some sort of high powered electromagnetic pulse would seem the smartest option with plausible deniability. I wonder if the US already has such weapons in orbit.

I assume that satellites have protection against that - because of solar flares.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by smilespray »

ordu wrote: post #43
sippeangelo wrote: post #5

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The theory that they broadcast communication on a band near GPS in order to discourage jamming of their early warning system sounds likely. Flexing the ability to jam GPS is pointless, since it's obvious that any state actor who has military satellites in orbit has considered this option or have the capability already. Therefore, the disruptions must either be regular tests of the capability, or just actual communica…

> The theory that they broadcast communication on a band near GPS in order to discourage jamming of their early warning system sounds likely. Is it? If it is an early warning system, could it be jammed briefly so it would fail to warn, couldn't it? It will be a global disruption of GPS, but a brief one and I'm sure people wouldn't be concerned of it due to other news. > Flexing the ability to jam GPS is pointless Do…

AKA Salami Tactics, famously referred to in the UK sitcom "Yes, Prime Minister"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing_tactics

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by embedding-shape »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #70
embedding-shape wrote: post #62

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> Why downvotes? Probably because some missing mention of some specific thing you care deeply about doesn't imply "lack of basic world knowledge" for an entire political office, really strange thing to say and most likely why people are downvoting. It's neither kind, curious and definitively a snark/swipe that doesn't really add anything to the point you were trying to make.

I think you normalize the deviation, here. If you listen to the press conference, Podesta (the press secretary) spoke about the plane circling and not being able to land. When preparing the press conference, she should have checked if this obvious lie can be obviously disproved, but she did not. This probably means that she did not know this was a lie, but then someone who ordered this to be announced knew. My bet is…

> I think you normalize the deviation, here.

I don't care about Ursula von der Leyen nor her plane, merely explaining that if you try to extrapolate that a group of people don't have "basic world knowledge" based on not knowing a specific technology nor how/why it's used, the community is actually doing the rest of us a favor by downvoting it.

Want to discuss her office's use of a plane and how it's related to inspecting ammunition factories or whatever tirade you're going on about? Do create a new submission where that can be discussed, hardly related to the interesting story and methods of trying to track down GNSS interference.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by Coala15 »

preisschild wrote: post #73
Coala15 wrote: post #54

Being engaged to warfare with Russia and being jammed in response. So weird.

Russia attacked Europe, this is just another reminder that they are our enemies and we should be sabotaging their systems in turn.

Relax, Russia didn't attacked Europe yet (if you mean EU).

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by lenerdenator »

stef25 wrote: post #75
sorenjan wrote: post #40

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Yes, it's very wide spread and not carefully aimed at all. It's also not done by satellite but a ground based station. https://gpsjam.org/

That covers most of Poland, wtf

Why wouldn't it?

The behavior will continue until a consequence is imposed.

Not on regular Russians, mind. Their ruling class. They're still free to move about the continent, make investments, do whatever. Currently Europe seems to be more interested in breaking away from the US than dealing with the power that has killed hundreds of thousands on their own continent.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by TechSquidTV »

jaapz wrote: post #76
sschueller wrote: post #74

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Because the video is based on the research done in this article, it even specifically calls out the article's authors in the description

Am I correct it looks like this was published 3 days ago? They made that video.. in essentially 2 days?

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

embedding-shape wrote: post #85
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you normalize the deviation, here. If you listen to the press conference, Podesta (the press secretary) spoke about the plane circling and not being able to land. When preparing the press conference, she should have checked if this obvious lie can be obviously disproved, but she did not. This probably means that she did not know this was a lie, but then someone who ordered this to be announced knew. My bet is…

> I think you normalize the deviation, here. I don't care about Ursula von der Leyen nor her plane, merely explaining that if you try to extrapolate that a group of people don't have "basic world knowledge" based on not knowing a specific technology nor how/why it's used, the community is actually doing the rest of us a favor by downvoting it. Want to discuss her office's use of a plane and how it's related to inspec…

It's a 9 months old story, even the MEP who wrote the question got over it.

I raised it because it was mentioned in the Veritassium video, but they stopped short of calling it a lie. They wanted to stay on topic, but the beauty of HN is that we can wander slightly off-topic and discover curious facts without being punished.

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