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Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by idiotsecant »

alex_duf wrote: post #24
wcarss wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or actual jamming mistargeted for some reason, or used because it was deemed necessary.

Repeatedly, over years, only for 2 to 5 seconds at a time? Seems unlikely

There is a very good reason to do this. Suppose you had a device that would make the shoplifting detectors at stores go off. The first time you did it everyone would get hassled. And the second time and so forth. But if you kept doing it eventually the employees would stop caring. Then you just walk out the door with your stuff.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by embedding-shape »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #42
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The video did not settle on the jamming of von der Leyen plane on approach to Plovdiv, but AFAIR it was a (likely unintentional) lie. Never acknowledged by von der Leyen nor by her press secretary because it exposed the lack of basic world knowledge around von der Leyen and her office.

Why downvotes? Here's the press conference where it was announced: https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/media/video/I-276341 FlightRadar24 disproved the story shortly after: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1962565122326700178 TLDR: Neither von den Leyen nor her office knew about ADB-S nor about the multiple services that collect ADB-S broadcasts and republish, and there was none around who could stop them fro…

> Why downvotes?

Probably because some missing mention of some specific thing you care deeply about doesn't imply "lack of basic world knowledge" for an entire political office, really strange thing to say and most likely why people are downvoting. It's neither kind, curious and definitively a snark/swipe that doesn't really add anything to the point you were trying to make.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by lukan »

TFNA wrote: post #39
q3k wrote: post #27

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Kaliningrad is one big military base.

Doesn't sound like you have actually been there. Military is a major employer, but in a territory inhabited since 1944 there are generations of people born there who didn't see a reason to live, the same foreign gastarbeiter as in any Russian city, etc. I.e plenty of ordinary people who could be inconvenienced.

I don't think you meant it like that, but Kaliningrad, or Königsberg is inhabited since a bit longer. For example Immanuel Kant lived and taught there.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by preisschild »

JoachimS wrote: post #22
colechristensen wrote: post #10

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>I wonder if we can do something now that we know the source. Russia signed the 1967 Outer Space Treaty (OST) in 1967, this may be a treaty violation of this or other treaties, something like that or retaliation regarding it may be possible. You can hack the satellite, or use other electronic warfare options to jam or interfere with it's operations. You can shoot it down with a missile. The X-37B is in space right no…

So Russia may be in violation of a treaty, treaties. I'm shocked.

They were in violation of the INF treaty too years before the US pulled out...

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by gpm »

LiamPowell wrote: post #26
whizzter wrote: post #12

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If you start shooting down stuff in orbit, it'll invite retaliation, but even without retaliation there's a huge risk of a Kessler syndrome (especially with all the stuff that SpaceX has put into orbit in recent years).

> especially with all the stuff that SpaceX has put into orbit in recent years I've heard this repeated a lot but I've never seen anyone do the maths. StarLink satellites are all in very low orbits, so intuitively it seems like most debris from a collision would just end up deorbiting.

90% of starlink satellites are >400km in altitude. They aren't in very low earth orbits where that intuition even might be correct. They're above the space station.

I've definitely seen math done - though I'd have to dig it up again. I think in FAA filings.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by preisschild »

ponector wrote: post #55
Schlagbohrer wrote: post #20

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That jamming near Kaliningrad must surely be impacting the Russian residents as well, right? Unless it is very carefully aimed which seems unlikely since it is also trying to cover a very large volume.

No one gives a fuck what russian residents are thinking about it. And if they start to talk about issues - police will quickly force everyone to shut up.

Thats true, but its also true that most russians support this war. Maybe they dont say it, but they are the soldiers in the trenches, mechanical engineers building missiles, software developers building their military software, Oil/NG workers that fund the war and so on

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by NoSalt »

Schlagbohrer wrote: post #20
uijl wrote: post #6

Interesting to see that they are able to identify the specific satellite. I wonder if we can do something now that we know the source. Working on construction projects on the Romanian coastline (just South of Ukraine) and on the Polish continental waters (just West of Kaliningrad) we experienced jamming on a daily basis.

That jamming near Kaliningrad must surely be impacting the Russian residents as well, right? Unless it is very carefully aimed which seems unlikely since it is also trying to cover a very large volume.

Do you believe Putin cares who he inconveniences?

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by embedding-shape »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #52
uijl wrote: post #6

Interesting to see that they are able to identify the specific satellite. I wonder if we can do something now that we know the source. Working on construction projects on the Romanian coastline (just South of Ukraine) and on the Polish continental waters (just West of Kaliningrad) we experienced jamming on a daily basis.

Russia is constantly GPS jamming EU. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyx3ly54veo So funny seeing non-EU people and/or people friendly to Russia comment (not you) Carry on!

Yeah, same with traveling by boat in the Baltic Sea, been continuously GPS-jammed since 2022 or something annoying like that, basically the entire South East-coast of Sweden been unnavigatable with GPS since then.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

embedding-shape wrote: post #62
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why downvotes? Here's the press conference where it was announced: https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/media/video/I-276341 FlightRadar24 disproved the story shortly after: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1962565122326700178 TLDR: Neither von den Leyen nor her office knew about ADB-S nor about the multiple services that collect ADB-S broadcasts and republish, and there was none around who could stop them fro…

> Why downvotes? Probably because some missing mention of some specific thing you care deeply about doesn't imply "lack of basic world knowledge" for an entire political office, really strange thing to say and most likely why people are downvoting. It's neither kind, curious and definitively a snark/swipe that doesn't really add anything to the point you were trying to make.

I think you normalize the deviation, here.

If you listen to the press conference, Podesta (the press secretary) spoke about the plane circling and not being able to land. When preparing the press conference, she should have checked if this obvious lie can be obviously disproved, but she did not. This probably means that she did not know this was a lie, but then someone who ordered this to be announced knew.

My bet is that von der Leyen or her close aide told Podesta to announce the lie in these terms, and the thing that worries me as a European is that there was none to warn these war-mongering ladies that they are making a mistake. This whole situation screams for an intern that sets up the mics and has a callsign and who can stop Podesta as she walks to the pied de stal of shame and explain that the position of planes is monitored all the time and is public information.

But I bet that all their interns are servile 3rd generation eurocrats.

P.S. The whole press conference (and many others) are fascinating to listen to. The language these people use is softened by the media. What do you think von der Leyen was doing on that plane? She was going "along the frontline" to inspect our preparedness for war where "the frontline" is the Eastern EU border.

P.P.S The story made rounds in EU circles, and there was a parliamentary question offering a chance to apologize, but von der Leyen chose to ignore it.

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