All this shit should be subject to massive negative externality taxes. The cost of awful diets on society is absolutely huge. Big corpos are absolutely taking the piss. Extract, extract, extract.
Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
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Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tobacco is an addictive product that on average hurts the people who use it as a negative utility. Almost every other product people buy has a positive utility. Tobacco, along with other drugs, is uniquely bad.
> Tobacco, along with other drugs, is uniquely bad. How can it be "uniquely bad" if it's "along with other drugs"?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Rational...
Tobacco ranks pretty high in term of dependence and physical harm, especially considering that it's legal.
Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
#83Ultra-processed is a meaningless word used to get media attention. The state of nutrition science is abysmal.
It's not meaningless.
"Processed" means that ingredients had to be manipulated to produce the food (e.g. most recipes). Most of what you make at home is "processed".
"Ultra-processed" means food produced using industrial processing, using additives (perhaps not typically considered "food" in an of themselves) for emulsifying, flavor, shelf stability & preservation, color, etc. That's a clear distinction.
Whether or not that means anything for the nutritional value and health outcomes from consumption of the food is a different question, but it can clearly be studied.
Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
#84Logistics is logistics, the expeeience should be pretty transferrable, especially if no cold chain is involved. So good for them I guess?
Yes it seems like the authors of this article are implying this is bad? I mean ultra-processed is a meaningless term but generally processed food lasts longer, is less perishable, often cheaper, etc.
It's absolutely not a meaningless term, it's a classification in the Nova standard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_classification
And regarding health risks, please ask your doctor about your consumption. You may be surprised.
Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
It isn't a meaningless word, and like my sibling poster I do wonder if that sentence is astroturfed by the junk food corpos. The [NOVA classification]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_classification ) has definitions for various levels of food processing.
From the wikipedia page: > The Nova definition of ultra-processed food does not comment on the nutritional content of food and is not intended to be used for nutrient profiling. > Nutrient profiling: also nutritional profiling, is the science of classifying or ranking foods by their nutritional composition in order to promote health and prevent disease. So it looks like this classification doesn't mean what you think…
Do you genuinely not understand the difference between "tends to be unhealthy" and "is always 100% unhealthy"? Do you not understand how the classification is useful even if it contains exceptions?
Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know its just a joke, but Bill Hicks also constantly marketed himself and branded himself as an anti-marketing comedian. In his mind it was okay to promote yourself as a comedian but not promote your own business.
he's a comedian; his entire job is standing up in front of people and saying shit and having a message. thats... the point. it's not nameless widgets or whitelabel switches where you can just ignore it.
> having a message
I don't think most comedians really have any cogent "message", nor do I think that's part of the job
Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
#87We'd probably be in a very different world if everyone who worked in management or held a large stock holding in addictive cancer industries was jailed.
Instead the executives went in front of Congress in 1994 and swore under oath that they believe nicotine was not addictive:
And all profited personally from that law breaking denial of basic facts that directly lead to pain and suffering for their customers.
From that you can see the future we now live in clearly laid out before you.
I wonder if they killed more people with cigarettes or with the anti-science movements they kick-started so they could kill more people with cigarettes?
Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bill Hicks had a good advice to the marketing guys: "kill yourself" so I you're onto something here!
I think marketing is fine until it turns into lies. Reaching people to sell them your product should not be an issue. That, with misrepresentation and misleading claims is an issue.
I would agree with you if we were just talking about the abstract idea of marketing. But like everything else, the devil is in the details.
The marketing industry in the US is built not only to get the word out about your product, but also to gatekeep who can compete in our free market.
With marketing being so pervasive as to monetize the entire internet it effectively levies a tax on every business that wants to compete.
If you dont have the marketing budget to outspend your competition then they have no competition.
Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
#89Tobacco companies should've just announced that "This new tobacco we made is super good, but too dangerous to release, so we are smoking it ourselves and giving it to only the select C-level smokers"
They did that! They called it iQos!
Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
And teeth. This stuff will do nasty things to your gums. And receded gums never recover.
Unless you do an incredibly painful graft right? I have a buddy who had to do that in college and man it seemed incredibly unpleasant. They harvested the skin from the roof of his mouth IIRC Edit: yikes sounds like it gets worse and might not even work
My dentist has been peddling this procedure to me for years. It sounds incredibly invasive and painful and they don’t even promise it’ll cover 100% of the recession, nor that it won’t recede again unless one goes for an even more invasive jaw realignment which involves, I shit you not, intentionally fracturing the palate bone to make more space to align the teeth.
That was the “let me stop you right there” moment.
(Not even going into how much these horrendous procedures cost!)