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Meta enables ADB on deprecated Portal devices [video]

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Re: Meta enables ADB on deprecated Portal devices [video]

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Post by mft_ »

karlmedley wrote: post #69
mft_ wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It was denied because there are keys on the device that would leak if meta opened it up. (I'm not an android dev so I don't know the ins and outs of that) Any idea what changed? > neglect and stupidity from zuck meant that the portal was killed Is Facebook really set up such that one person's whim is the single point of failure? Is there really no way for teams to progress projects with value somewhat independently…

Is there any company set up so that the CEO's whim isn't a single point of failure?

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Re: Meta enables ADB on deprecated Portal devices [video]

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Post by ymolodtsov »

mft_ wrote: post #60
KaiserPro wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is sad that it takes a Meta developer having some fun to realize they should open up ADB. Former facebook research lab twat here. It wasn't one dev. We asked when they shitcanned portal (which was a great product, badly managed) to open it up. Infact one of the kernel devs made a very direct plea to allow the community to adopt the hardware so that we could avoid Ewaste. It was denied because there are keys on t…

> It was denied because there are keys on the device that would leak if meta opened it up. (I'm not an android dev so I don't know the ins and outs of that) Any idea what changed? > neglect and stupidity from zuck meant that the portal was killed Is Facebook really set up such that one person's whim is the single point of failure? Is there really no way for teams to progress projects with value somewhat independently…

I think it'd be pretty weird if people and teams inside a company go just go rogue against the CEO.

Re: Meta enables ADB on deprecated Portal devices [video]

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Post by norman784 »

I was thinking that this or opening the bootloader should be required (by governments) for deprecated devices. Imagine all the Android and Apple devices you could give a second life by installing in them linux with some lightweight window manager (with touch support), or even Ubuntu Touch, etc.

Re: Meta enables ADB on deprecated Portal devices [video]

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Post by realusername »

norman784 wrote: post #95

I was thinking that this or opening the bootloader should be required (by governments) for deprecated devices. Imagine all the Android and Apple devices you could give a second life by installing in them linux with some lightweight window manager (with touch support), or even Ubuntu Touch, etc.

While I totally support such legislation (even for current sold devices, not just deprecated), there's a massive pile of android devices with open bootloader which never got any decent second life support.

Re: Meta enables ADB on deprecated Portal devices [video]

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Post by Shish2k »

l23k4 wrote: post #48
saagarjha wrote: post #45

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Why didn’t it occur to someone that this would be fun to do within the CTO having to realize this

Why didn't it occur to someone without occurring to someone first?

People within Meta have been campaigning for this for _years_; even people as high up as John Carmack were pushing for open bootloaders on deprecated hardware (and he achieved that on the Go headset, but not as a general policy)

Re: Meta enables ADB on deprecated Portal devices [video]

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Post by KaiserPro »

objclxt wrote: post #77
KaiserPro wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is sad that it takes a Meta developer having some fun to realize they should open up ADB. Former facebook research lab twat here. It wasn't one dev. We asked when they shitcanned portal (which was a great product, badly managed) to open it up. Infact one of the kernel devs made a very direct plea to allow the community to adopt the hardware so that we could avoid Ewaste. It was denied because there are keys on t…

> They scaled up the team briefly, which meant that lots of weird stuff was tried, but the roadmap was diluted. Boz never cared for Portal, it wasn't his product. I was one of the original engineers on Portal. The VP running the research lap responsible for Portal was canned in a political coup, and her entire org moved under Boz, merging it with Oculus into the AR/VR team. There was some ham-fisted justification aro…

> So much politics. AR/VR had a virtually unlimited budget so there was a massive land grab to hire as many people as possible, with no consideration around what they'd actually work on. Even though Quest and Portal had the same SoCs, they had completely separate Android OS builds and engineering teams, because everyone was trying to build the biggest engineering teams they could. People were constantly leaking shit: I found out we were delaying the project because an executive leaked it to Bloomberg while the executive meeting was still happening.

Hnnnnnn

yup, the empire building and land grabs. yup, I had forgotten about the early days before maui was actually universal and people needed different tools to flash different devices.

Re: Meta enables ADB on deprecated Portal devices [video]

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Post by swiftcoder »

KaiserPro wrote: post #55
petterroea wrote: post #26

It is sad that it takes a Meta developer having some fun to realize they should open up ADB. This isn't the repairability and reuseability of old devices mindset people have been begging for. This is some guy using internal privileges to having some fun, and deciding the rest of us should get a piece of the fun as well. This is a "happy story" in the same way it is a "happy story" when some kid successfully fundraise…

> It is sad that it takes a Meta developer having some fun to realize they should open up ADB. Former facebook research lab twat here. It wasn't one dev. We asked when they shitcanned portal (which was a great product, badly managed) to open it up. Infact one of the kernel devs made a very direct plea to allow the community to adopt the hardware so that we could avoid Ewaste. It was denied because there are keys on t…

I was in the Oculus for Business (later AR/VR for Work) group, and we were well into taking Portal and making it compatible with corporate MDM policies, to sell along with Workplace as a general visual conferencing platform. Sadly all went up in smoke when they cancelled the main Portal program.
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