But it's written in a rather confusing manner so I'm not certain.
SpaceX, Other Mega IPOs Denied Fast Index Entry by S&P
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If a company is 1-2% of the total US market cap and not included in the index, then the index is wrong right now. To be clear, S&P 500 relies on float, not total US Market Cap, and Space X will have a tiny float. Even if it was included, SpaceX would not account for 1-2% of the S&P 500 (more like 0.1%), so even if we reason on the basis of a benchmark, it's not a meaningful difference.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48407542
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#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
sure it's not a given, but I certainly am not confident enough that it won't happen to bet my money in it, which I would automatically be doing if it was admitted to the SP500
It would make up less than 0.15% of the index with the limited float available at IPO. Even if it went to zero, your portfolio wouldn't notice it.
In addition, that's just the initial IPO free float value, and other shareholders will be free to shed their shares after IPO (and presumably, that's where the bulk of index investment funds will actually buy from), so the free float will be higher, pushing up that share even higher.
Sure, in terms of overall market fluctuations, 0.5% is significantly less than a typical day of market volatility, but on the other hand in terms of my current portfolio, as a dollar amount that's significantly more than my monthly expenditure when I'm not vacationing. I don't particularly want to be funding Elon's exit strategy when I already believe it to be a scam. Thanks to S&P's decision, about 25% of my investments are safe, but approximately 60% of my funds are linked to FTSE World indicies, which is changing the rules.
As I stated in another post, this is just a cheap stunt to force passive investors to prop up the price before it has a chance to settle. The majority of IPOs settle on a price below the IPO price in the months afterwards, and never before have we seen an IPO with such a high P/E ratio. This is literally unprecedented, and the sensible thing to do would be to stick to the old rules to allow the market time to discover the true value before inclusion in the indices. At the moment, the valuation is just a number in Elon's head rather than a fair market valuation. Forcing index-following funds to purchase it at the artificially high price is reckless at best and profiteering at worst.
In addition, it's not just 0.5%. It's 0.5% now, and then the same for Anthropic, and then the same for OpenAI, then all the other IPOs in the future. To put that into perspective, most investors would baulk at 0.38% TER for a passive fund and move to 0.12% TER. 0.5% isn't nothing.
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#334Re: SpaceX, Other Mega IPOs Denied Fast Index Entry by S&P
#335I wonder how much of this decision is driven by recent media coverage about ETF holders getting screwed
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#336Re: SpaceX, Other Mega IPOs Denied Fast Index Entry by S&P
#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's what "value funds" do.
But do they historically beat the S&P 500?
In any case, it's been only in the last years that we have had an explosion of a huge variety of funds with low fees, so some of these product strategies need to be retro fitted for a time they did not exist.
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#338Re: SpaceX, Other Mega IPOs Denied Fast Index Entry by S&P
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can just pick stocks - if you pick a fairly low number of large stocks in broad categories with correct weight, you will track the index.
I don’t think this is correct. Gains historically accrue to a small number of companies in a given time window. If you buy all the grocery stores, you’re exposed only to sector risk, if you pick one or two, you’re also exposed to the risk those companies don’t contain the “winners”.
If you don’t pick the right grocery company, you have a shot at picking the right telecommunications company. You pick fewer winners, but you’re also picking fewer losers.
The real reason to do this is because you want to avoid specific companies that are inside the index. You would only do this if you felt confident in your ability to avoid investing a lot of capital in losers. Even if you’re great at avoiding the telecommunications loser, you might be worse than average at avoiding the loser in other sectors.