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Anthropic's open-source framework for AI-powered vulnerability discovery

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Re: Anthropic's open-source framework for AI-powered vulnerability discovery

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The thing about things like this is that they're shop jigs. You can buy a crosscut sled if you really want to, but most woodworkers just make their own. It was a different situation 2 years ago, when there was significant cost to building your own harness (but then: you probably weren't doing AI vuln research 2 years ago). Today, I think your best bet is to look at something like this for ideas, and then just ask for…

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Re: Anthropic's open-source framework for AI-powered vulnerability discovery

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It's weird because why can't they train the AI to simply output secure code? The basic security flaws with regards to input validation and overflows should never ever be output by an AI. For "security flaws due to bad design" I'll cut them slack until AGI is achieved.

What's destabilizing the industry right now isn't vulnerabilities AI introduces into new code; it's a flood of sev:hi vulnerabilities in existing code, not introduced by AI but discovered by it.

> What's destabilizing the industry right now isn't vulnerabilities AI introduces into new code; it's a flood of sev:hi vulnerabilities in existing code, not introduced by AI but discovered by it.

Vulnerability discovery has essentially moved to a "proof of work" computation model with AI that has some similarities to crypto like BTC or ethereum 1.0. I don't see any reason a well funded adversary couldn't use this same process on open-source code to develop exploits. I'm sure AI would be happy to try and create exploits from the results rather than fixes.

This sort of proof of work has a notable difference from crypto in the asymmetric nature of what each side is targeting. In crypto, each miner was attempting to find a solution to the same problem and they would all move on to a new one once a solution is found. However with AI vulnerability scanning, the non-deterministic nature means an adversary is likely to find different vulnerabilities. Even if it doesn't, the adversaries have a different post-discovery workflow (i.e. probably less compute intensive aka cheaper due to only needing one viable exploit to win) than the software maintainers do.

Considering it's possible both the adversary and their target could both do all this while running Claude puts Anthropic in a real "Merchant of Death" position.

Re: Anthropic's open-source framework for AI-powered vulnerability discovery

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> craftspeople take their jigs with them from job to job Except for software gigs the software typically belongs to the customer so you'd need to rewrite it every time...

Depends. If you are a contractor, like most craftspeople, your tools are your own.

Only if you are self employed, otherwise it belongs to the agency.

Re: Anthropic's open-source framework for AI-powered vulnerability discovery

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> If AI tokens were so magical in creating new value in developing software applications generally, they wouldn't be selling tokens directly. They'd hoard the tokens are use them to dominate SaaS software in any industry they want. This doesn't follow at all. Anthropic's revenue is growing 10x year over year selling tokens. Their tokens can be super magical, let them enter established industries and displace incumben…

kind of funny tokens don't prompt and steer themselves. it almost as if the value still lies with the human holding the tool.

They kinda do though, that's sort of how agents work. At least that's how it's always felt to me.

Re: Anthropic's open-source framework for AI-powered vulnerability discovery

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Depends. If you are a contractor, like most craftspeople, your tools are your own.

Only if you are self employed, otherwise it belongs to the agency.

Again: it depends. It is all about how the contract is written.

Re: Anthropic's open-source framework for AI-powered vulnerability discovery

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I mean, you don't need to run it all the time, right? You do it once over your entire existing codebase to start and then once over the diff in your CI/CD pipeline when you make a new change. I'm sure it's not literally that simple but I doubt these need to churn 24/7/365 either.

Companies don't make production pushes yearly. For many, it's two week sprints..and that's one project. This doesn't make any sense cost-wise. It would be cheaper to just hire a security engineer.

I agree the cost curve has shifted. But if we take the Mozilla team's Mythos report as a broad baseline, you need to hire something like 10 security engineers to equal the Mythos productivity. Put another way, everyone's under hiring security by a LOT right now, we just have been lucky enough to see similar under hiring on hackers.

Re: Anthropic's open-source framework for AI-powered vulnerability discovery

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Only if you are self employed, otherwise it belongs to the agency.

Again: it depends. It is all about how the contract is written.

I never seen any other kind of contract, on my 50ys.

Re: Anthropic's open-source framework for AI-powered vulnerability discovery

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Again: it depends. It is all about how the contract is written.

I never seen any other kind of contract, on my 50ys.

You're definitely right for most agencies; most will let you use it in a portfolio or something, but not necessarily retain the rights to the work.

Some agencies do, however; it's dependent on the contract specifics.

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