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What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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They’ll find it easy to keep their homogenous culture and shared traditional values. Why would the solution to “our people aren’t having enough babies” be “we should import different people to have their babies here”? Why does ever single bleeding heart liberal globalist try and ignore the deep psychological truths about human tribalism? It’s not even a bad thing, but even if it was, it’s a fact.

I completely agree, very well said.

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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>But a strict zero-immigration policy collides with one terrifying reality: No country in history has successfully reversed a falling fertility rate, and Japan shows zero signs of breaking that trend.

Wrong! Korea has successfully reversed theirs starting this year due to some extreme policies benefiting families with children

[1] https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2026-05-27/nationa... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/25/south-korea-bi...

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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I think the point is we can't have our cake and eat it too. They need _someone_ (or something, if they can manage) to sustain the way of life they hold so dear. And it's not something a country can just decide on a whim like "oop looks like we really need more people tomorrow folks". What are they going to do? Import millions of people 18 years from now? Or plan ahead to make sure millions of babies are born now to g…

> They need _someone_ (or something, if they can manage) to sustain the way of life they hold so dear. They don't though? Pensions will be cut. Retirements will be pushed back. Grandparents with dementia will be kept mostly-alive in their children's homes rather than getting proper care. There will be pain and suffering. But I don't see any of that pushing the country to breaking point. > And it's not something a cou…

Yeah not sure why you’re being downvoted. Work hard on making elderly care as easy as possible, automate automatable things. Importing people is just kicking the ageing population can down the road; these immigrant will grow old one day, and then what, import even more people?

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Korea is starting to turn things around! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/25/south-korea-bi...

Maybe the fertility rate has to go below zero to bounce back... Japan's rate is like 1.14 yet [1]. Hopefully Korea has figure out something more actionable [1] https://english.kyodonews.net/articles/-/77220

What's fertility rate below zero? Women not only have zero babies, they also sometimes kill babies of others?

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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They’ll find it easy to keep their homogenous culture and shared traditional values. Why would the solution to “our people aren’t having enough babies” be “we should import different people to have their babies here”? Why does ever single bleeding heart liberal globalist try and ignore the deep psychological truths about human tribalism? It’s not even a bad thing, but even if it was, it’s a fact.

> Why would the solution to “our people aren’t having enough babies” be “we should import different people to have their babies here”? If you become poor enough and weak enough, you'll be "replaced" anyway. And not on your own terms.

It is not necessarily true, I think it is opposite. More poorer they get, less attractive that place becomes. Especially since Japan is not rich with natural resources, there is nothing really to steal there

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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> The industry is shifting from rigid industrial arms to general-purpose robots powered by advanced AI

It is not, if by "general-purpose robots" we mean humanoid robots, and by "AI" we mean LLMs. Factories will continue to be designed around robots that are designed for specific purposes and controlled by normal, predictable software.

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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There is no “zero” immigration policy, this is a strawman. Controlled immigration is different from opening the floodgates. Also weird to admit that no country has reversed its birth rate problem, but still insist upon massive immigration being the solution.

In the united states the birthrate problem is largely climate change panic (which is not a reason to not have kids because other populations / immigrants start accelerating their birth rates), and then because of heavy migration and other market factors, home prices have skyrocketed. Many couples don't want to have kids until they at least buy their "starter house".

I'm not very familiar with Japan's problems, but I think it's different. I think it has more to do with some kind of never growing up adults.

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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> crime rate hikes. No, not really. Broadly, immigration has no effect on crime-rates. In case-study after case-study, it’s shown immigration has little to no impact on crime-rates. This was even disproven after the height of the Syrian refuge crisis! But media likes sensationalist reporting, so public perception doesn’t match the statistics. > cultural demise. Meaningless, also created by the media. If you listen to…

Immigration HAS an effect: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crime-figures-migrants-refugee...

The thing is very simple: I am really not afraid of police in Germany. Worst thing that can happen is spending a night in jail. In other countries the police can shoot you or seriously beat you up. So basically there is no police. And the jail… well it’s all inclusive hotel compared to other countries. Deportation is anyway very unlikely. So what should stop me from doing bad things?

Re: What happens if Japan takes in zero immigrants?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is we can't have our cake and eat it too. They need _someone_ (or something, if they can manage) to sustain the way of life they hold so dear. And it's not something a country can just decide on a whim like "oop looks like we really need more people tomorrow folks". What are they going to do? Import millions of people 18 years from now? Or plan ahead to make sure millions of babies are born now to g…

> They need _someone_ (or something, if they can manage) to sustain the way of life they hold so dear. They don't though? Pensions will be cut. Retirements will be pushed back. Grandparents with dementia will be kept mostly-alive in their children's homes rather than getting proper care. There will be pain and suffering. But I don't see any of that pushing the country to breaking point. > And it's not something a cou…

Also different cultures can withstand different level of hardships. With population decline what kind of quality of life drop we are talking about? Even if people get 2 times poorer, it is still way above than whatever people had in old times. That level can easily drop way further and people can adapt.

I think it is even better to not have immigration as a solution, because it accelerates this whole problem and forces the society to search for other ways to solve the issue.

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