Did this use this to model operation sea-spray?
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Bay Model
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#52Why do the Army Corps of Engineers get so involved in civil infrastructure in the US - thinking of the Mississippi in particular? In other countries the government would be involved but it would be a civilian rather than military role
There's some good answers here but something important is missed. Militaries spend a lot of time having soldiers shoot rounds down the range to ensure everyone is up to snuff. The engineering corps is similar but better. You can fund target practice for your army engineers by having them go build public infrastructure. It's a win for the military (practical experience), win for locals (public infrastructure), and a win for the taxpayer (two for one deal).
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Autodesk was founded in Marin and later moved down. This model is 10km^2 so it's not moving anywhere.
Yes, the Marin Civic Center in Terra Linda is what I'm referring to. Edit: above said "next door" so I'm curious how literal they meant this
Literally next door. Maybe one other building between Autodesk and the Bay Model.
When I started in 1990, most of engineering at Autodesk was in 2320 and 2330 Marinship Way in Sausalito. Later I moved down the street across from Mollie Stone in 3 Harbor. The infamous every-Friday "Beer Bust" was in 1 Harbor during those years.
Ted Nelson had a house boat not far way, too. Wild times.
A few years later we moved up to the new HQ on McInnis Parkway in San Rafael. We also had several buildings on Civic Center Drive and several floors of 4000 on top of the hill. I think I had an office in all of those at one time or another except the HQ building -- I managed to escape that and the new fangled "open office space" they put in that one.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, the Marin Civic Center in Terra Linda is what I'm referring to. Edit: above said "next door" so I'm curious how literal they meant this
Literally next door. Maybe one other building between Autodesk and the Bay Model. When I started in 1990, most of engineering at Autodesk was in 2320 and 2330 Marinship Way in Sausalito. Later I moved down the street across from Mollie Stone in 3 Harbor. The infamous every-Friday "Beer Bust" was in 1 Harbor during those years. Ted Nelson had a house boat not far way, too. Wild times. A few years later we moved up to…
Amazing and thanks for elaborating, super cool to hear the history after growing up nearby
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#55Why do the Army Corps of Engineers get so involved in civil infrastructure in the US - thinking of the Mississippi in particular? In other countries the government would be involved but it would be a civilian rather than military role
There's some good answers here but something important is missed. Militaries spend a lot of time having soldiers shoot rounds down the range to ensure everyone is up to snuff. The engineering corps is similar but better. You can fund target practice for your army engineers by having them go build public infrastructure. It's a win for the military (practical experience), win for locals (public infrastructure), and a w…
I don't think that idea necessarily holds for the Army Corps of Engineers. They technically work under a military command, but the vast bulk of the engineers are civilians. The military officers tend to rotate in and out of positions relatively fast. And the civilians aren't required to do construction in combat theaters (although voluntary positions do exist). So the idea that the USACE is set up to give practice for military theaters isn't really apt. It's more about the scope and incentives of the projects they work on. E.g., a private company doesn't have the right timeline or profit incentives to build dams for flood control.
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#56The bay’s first LLM (large liquid model) was invented in the 1950s.
Advection Is All You Need
On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrotfish: Can Large Liquid Models Understand the Bay?
The Brackish Lesson: Scale Beats Insight in Large Liquid Models
Large Liquid Models are Few-Drop Learners
Schooling Laws for Tidal Liquid Models
No Silver Mullet
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#57It's a shame that there isn't a series of articles on such models --- saw the Chesapeake Bay model (mentioned in a footnote) on a field trip when I was much younger (and it was still in active use for research I believe, yes, as my kids constantly tell me, I'm old). Simulation used to be essentially impossible, something one dreamed of, or had to pay for time on a Cray or similar supercomputer/cluster. Apparently, th…
Ahoy crewmembers! Are you old enough to remember Captain Chesapeake and Mondy the Sea Monster?
Captain Chesapeake WBFF TV45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3kjJt_7zw4
Ahoy! - The Captain Chesapeake Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QUGMVYIHvA
Did you know that Traffic Jam Jimmie was also Mondy the Sea Monster?!?
Re: U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Bay Model
#58Why do the Army Corps of Engineers get so involved in civil infrastructure in the US - thinking of the Mississippi in particular? In other countries the government would be involved but it would be a civilian rather than military role
Not sure about the exact thrust of your question but a few points: - flood management is not easy to monetize so there is not much incentive for private industry. The timelines for design decisions (100 year, 500 year) often don’t mate well with private incentives - it crosses many property boundaries which makes it hard to manage unless you have the rights of a government - much of the work is still done by private…
Flood management in the Netherlands even influenced the country's style of government decision-making: the "Polder Model" of consensus-building.
The idea is that if everyone shares the same dikes and drainage systems, they have to cooperate regardless of political differences. A flood doesn't care whose land it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polder_model
>The polder model (Dutch: poldermodel) is a method of consensus decision-making, based on the Dutch version of consensus-based economic and social policymaking in the 1980s and 1990s. It gets its name from the Dutch word (polder) for tracts of land enclosed by dikes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maeslantkering
>The Maeslantkering 'Maeslant barrier' is a storm surge barrier on the Nieuwe Waterweg, in South Holland, Netherlands. It was constructed from 1991 to 1997. As part of the Delta Works, the barrier responds to water level predictions calculated by a centralized computer system called BOS. It automatically closes when Rotterdam, especially the Port of Rotterdam, is threatened with flooding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Works
>The Delta Works (Dutch: Deltawerken) is a series of construction projects in the southwest of the Netherlands to protect a large area of land around the Rhine–Meuse–Scheldt delta from the sea. Constructed between 1954 and 1997, the works consist of dams, sluices, locks, dykes, levees, and storm surge barriers located in the provinces of South Holland and Zeeland.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Was it displayed at the Civic Center or did Autodesk have an office location in Sausalito? I had never heard of this Bay Model and believe to only have seen a model at the (new location) of the Exploratorium - this was over a decade ago so don't quite recall
Autodesk was founded in Marin and later moved down. This model is 10km^2 so it's not moving anywhere.
I'm guessing you meant 10k m^2 (ie 1 hectare) rather than 10km ^2 (10,000 hectares if I mathed correctly)
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#60Everyone knows that Hydraulic models aren't for bays, they are for the British economy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_Machine