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When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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I find any and all claims like this ridiculous from a company who can't build a terminal application that uses less than a gigabyte of RAM.

Well, they could very easily if they wanted. There is just no economic value in it.

Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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This might explain it, in the opposite way it was meant to: https://fxtwitter.com/trq212/status/2014051501786931427 > Most people's mental model of Claude Code is that "it's just a TUI" but it should really be closer to "a small game engine".

> For each frame our pipeline constructs a scene graph with React then > -> layouts elements > -> rasterizes them to a 2d screen > -> diffs that against the previous screen > -> finally uses the diff to generate ANSI sequences to draw Yup. Overengineering.

Care to explain how you'd engineer it instead?

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What I can’t get over is that there have been exactly zero software breakthroughs since vibe coding started, other than vibe coding itself. Claude is amazing, that’s true. But if it was as amazing as this article implies, I’d expect some breakthrough outside of AI itself. Rewriting a Zig program in unsafe Rust? Not a breakthrough. Finding a bunch of security vulns? Maybe that’s sort of a breakthrough though it’s unde…

Maybe I'm looking through rose colored glasses, but software that writes itself seems like a pretty big breakthrough to me.

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Infrastructure is a much harder problem. They can't even improve Claude Code, which eats 1GB+ of RAM. Meanwhile, my editor only consumes 80MB of RAM.

> which eats 1GB+ of RAM. Meanwhile, my editor only consumes 80MB of RAM And why are you comparing Claude Code to your editor? > They can't even improve Claude Code That depends on how you define "improve". They've added a ton of features to it over time. Who said minimizing RAM usage was something they are prioritizing right now?

> why are you comparing Claude Code to your editor?

Because the editor does more. All the compute-intensive parts of the agent are in the cloud. Zero reason for an agent harness to require anything beyond a potato to run.

Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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What I can’t get over is that there have been exactly zero software breakthroughs since vibe coding started, other than vibe coding itself. Claude is amazing, that’s true. But if it was as amazing as this article implies, I’d expect some breakthrough outside of AI itself. Rewriting a Zig program in unsafe Rust? Not a breakthrough. Finding a bunch of security vulns? Maybe that’s sort of a breakthrough though it’s unde…

What does a breakthrough look like?

Some examples:

- The first web browser

- the first web browser with images

- typescript

- react

- rust

- Fil-C

- doom

- quake

- the anamorphic VM, and its follow-ups like HotSpot, and even competitors/copycats like J9, V8, JSC, etc

- Fortnite battle royale

- Roblox

- thefacebook

- ChatGPT

- Claude code

I know that’s quite a range and that’s intentional.

Anyway, I think we’ll know it when we see it.

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What I can’t get over is that there have been exactly zero software breakthroughs since vibe coding started, other than vibe coding itself. Claude is amazing, that’s true. But if it was as amazing as this article implies, I’d expect some breakthrough outside of AI itself. Rewriting a Zig program in unsafe Rust? Not a breakthrough. Finding a bunch of security vulns? Maybe that’s sort of a breakthrough though it’s unde…

Maybe I'm looking through rose colored glasses, but software that writes itself seems like a pretty big breakthrough to me.

That goes straight to my point: then why hasn’t the miracle of automated coding led to breakthroughs outside of automated coding?

If the only breakthrough is automated coding with no outside consequence then it’s just masturbation

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That seems like an assumption based on basically nothing. There is a lot of code at the infra layer, and based on the stack choices for Claude code and based on how buggy and unreliable ~everything from anthropic is, it seems pretty bizarre to claim these issues are not related to their code.

There are other indications, however, like Anthropic paying through the nose for compute just months after Dario told Dwarkesh how hard it is to predict demand, or ChatGPT and Codex not quite having the same issues after Altman spent much-publicized years scrounging for trillion-dollars of capacity. While I'm very bullish on Anthropic, I'm a bit wary about their IPO because it seems to me that they're filing now whil…

Whoa, first name basis with Dario but not Sam. Ouch. [I actually have no idea who Dwarkesh is and it sounds like a first name to me but that's not a particularly reliable indicator so I won't comment on your relationship with Dwarkesh.]

Oh, are they filing now? I think their financials look somewhere in between devastating and criminal, so I'm really looking forward to the IPO!

Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Okay, so anthropic has amazing AI which supposedly writes most of their code and can continuously improve... meanwhile they have outages on a regular basis, and any kind of long-running work will now consistently hit 'API Error: Server is temporarily limiting requests'. Not sure of this is intentional to force a reduction of token usage, but at this point I need to build around these throttling limits and outages wit…

Infrastructure is a much harder problem. They can't even improve Claude Code, which eats 1GB+ of RAM. Meanwhile, my editor only consumes 80MB of RAM.

The purpose of RAM is to be used.

Re: When AI Builds Itself: Our progress toward recursive self-improvement

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Sorry for nitpicking, but: > If nukes were not invented yet, would it really be a good idea to build and sell them as fast as possible (in peace time, no less)? Arguably, yes.

Is the idea to keep the world in balance via MAD? I could see that, though it's a dangerous gamble. From Richard Rhode's "The Making of the Atomic Bomb", I got the impression that most scientists involved thought they could manage a US or UN monopoly on nukes after the war. General Groves attempted to buy up all of the world's uranium ore. Unfortunately, it is only high grade ore that is rare; many countries have low…

I honestly don’t know how Iran can conclude anything after this war other than to go all-in on nukes. The US has proven any deal is worthless if it can just change its mind and renege on it whenever it wants.

Who’s invading North Korea? No-one.

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