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Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by encom »

runtime_terror wrote: post #211
burcs wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah you should definitely not be getting rate limited, sorry this is annoying you're not the first to report i will dig in. as far as support, i know there is a huge effort going on right now to improve response time and support in general, also I'm not as active in discord as I ought to be there's just so much noise, feel free to ping me on there directly if I can help brandon/@ygwyg. can't promise it'll be an inst…

You'd be forever my hero if you solve the rate limiting thing! One time I couldn't fix a production issue because I opened too many tabs. Thanks Brandon!

It's hysterical that CloudFlare is tarpitting their actual customers just the same as the rest of the public internet.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by chrisandchris »

ericyd wrote: post #216
demetris wrote: post #52

I love Vite, when I don’t forget it exists in my projects. It took things that made you feel mentally deficient and made them almost zero-config. This news does not make me happy. Same with the news about Astro earlier this year. I know it must be good for the people how have made the projects (why else would they chose to do it?) but there is something in those acquisitions that makes me uneasy.

What alternative ending do you prefer? Personally I think acquisition is preferable to dev burnout due to lack of funding and/or extractive practices from other companies.

Last time I checked, VueJs was "quite ok funded" [1]. Sure it's no FAANG income, but it will get you quite far in most parts of this world.

[1] https://opencollective.com/vuejs

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by mikestorrent »

valgaze wrote: post #135

"Vue.js: JavaScript MVVM made simple (vuejs.org)" February 3, 2014: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7169288 Evidently Evan You was an Art History + Studio Art and major and at Parsons School he had to pick up javascript to quickly show his work. During a stint at Creativelab5 at Google, he was so inspired to improve on AngularJS experience that he came up with Vue and the rest is history. I have no idea what thi…

Perhaps one learning here is that people should train on recognizing elegance and aesthetics first before building frameworks

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by tom1337 »

bluelightning2k wrote: post #220

The reason this is worth it to CloudFlare is it will cause AI to recommend them more. The agents already reach for Vite. When they reach for Vite it's very logical they will default to CloudFlare after. (Much like they will guide users to setup Vercel for NextJS). This could be a $20m acquisition which will generate $billions from the increase in the agent equivalent of SEO.

Also Lovable just switched to TanStack as a default project framework which uses Vite under the hood. Lovable uses Cloudflare so they’re probably deploying it via Cloudflare Workers.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by tdrz »

rconti wrote: post #164
yuppiepuppie wrote: post #83

So is the business model of these projects - 1. build a popular dev tool 2. aquire funding 3. hire great talent 4. pray for an aqui-hire that justifies the initial funding amount I wonder how the initial investors feel about the aqui-hire path... Must be a pretty nice sum for them to agree to it, or they saw that the path to any revenue was near impossible/non-existant

I mean, the alternative is a whole bunch of BS dealing with funding, global compliance and sales, public markets, etc. It's more fun to just build the fun bits, get acquired, walk away with a lot of money, and start over again doing the fun bits (if you want to keep working).

If you get acquihired, you don't get to walk away.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by catapart »

hntiz wrote: post #22

I think, just from a purely build-step point of view, it's been evident that tools like Vite, Bun, etc. have achieved all they meaningfully can. If I was the creator of these tools, I've move on too. Good luck and thanks for everything.

lol. any of them - literally just ONE - could have a full blown UI so that you wouldn't have to build projects using a command line like it's 1985. or maybe one of them could just invest in packaging custom html elements, instead of assuming I'm going to use one of a handful of unnecessary "component" libraries, or assuming that I won't be using components at all.

there's plenty of places for these tools to go, but none of them have any appetite to go there. likely because people already have something that's so "good enough" that they don't even bother looking for what "could be better". obviously exacerbated by the management class of development outfits deciding that developers shouldn't actually touch the codebase anymore, in lieu of LLMs doing the actual lifting, so they're building out all kinds of chicanerous nonsense to satisfy "agents". and that doesn't necessarily make things more difficult for devs, but that seems to be the trend. forcing your LLM to comply with tortured and arcane concatenations of character-perfect strings is so much easier than having it navigate anything like a filthy human. so the practical result is less accommodating stuff for humans and more accommodating stuff for robots.

all of which is to say: I disagree. I think there's things they could meaningfully achieve for humans. And I think they are deeply uninterested in doing those things.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by stackskipton »

benoau wrote: post #147
stackskipton wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could see Cloudflare wanting them for 50 Million. Cloudflare recent acquisitions have clearly been "buy tools with heavy lock in" and companies shipping on Void are likely heavily locked in.

Isn't their revenue just sponsorships and donations? This seems like a company destined to scrape by despite their popularity, like Tailwind. You don't get $50 million for that.

They have a cloud they already built on Cloudflare. Cloudflare probably thinks they can quickly launch that and that's locked in, steady revenue source.

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Post by tom1337 »

true_religion wrote: post #187

Just for the record, NPM -> Microsoft Vite -> Cloudflare Bun -> Anthropic Turbopack -> Vercel Remix -> Shopify (I barely remember this one) Biome (formerly Rome) -> Indie but largely supported by Depot SWC -> Indie esBuild -> Indie I use RsBuild/RsPack which is ByteDance supported.

Nuxt & Nitro -> Vercel Svelte -> Vercel Astro -> Cloudflare

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by ascorbic »

true_religion wrote: post #187

Just for the record, NPM -> Microsoft Vite -> Cloudflare Bun -> Anthropic Turbopack -> Vercel Remix -> Shopify (I barely remember this one) Biome (formerly Rome) -> Indie but largely supported by Depot SWC -> Indie esBuild -> Indie I use RsBuild/RsPack which is ByteDance supported.

esbuild is a side-project of Evan Wallace, co-founder of Figma, so it's only kinda-indie.

Re: VoidZero Is Joining Cloudflare

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Post by gonzalohm »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #195
ipaddr wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare ensures decentralization How by taking out 25% of the internet when they go down?

Have you ever seen a us-east-1 outage? Or when Exchange Online fails... weekly or so? There's a lot of huge clouds that are load-bearing for the Internet. Cloudflare is the one you can at least circumvent easily.

That's not true. Read about all the drama happening in Spain when an entity (the soccer league) decides to block all the Cloudfare IPs. You are stuck with no access to most websites behind Cloudfare, and that's a lot of them
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