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Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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"Twenty centuries are stacked in 4 meters (13 feet) of earth — or about the height of two-and-a-half Napoleon Bonapartes standing on top of one another." Way to get history wrong in your story about history.

Or about 1/27th of a football field for the Americans

It's about two and a half Ford Tauri stacked on top of each other

Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or about 1/27th of a football field for the Americans

It's about two and a half Ford Tauri stacked on top of each other

>It's about two and a half Ford Tauri stacked on top of each other

Or almost exactly one Companhia worth of Tauri stacked on top of each other.

(there's a programming joke in there btw)

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There was already a museum of a Roman era settlement out in the plaza. It's somewhat confusingly named the Archeological Crypt, but it's not the crypt of the Notre Dame Cathedral. (The Cathedral doesn't have a crypt; I think the water table is too low to allow there to be significant spaces below the level of the nearby river.) So I'm unclear on exactly what this dig is. I get the impression that it's around the edge…

Definitely worth visiting if you’re there, along with the remains of the medieval fortress under the Louvre.

Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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post #28

"Twenty centuries are stacked in 4 meters (13 feet) of earth — or about the height of two-and-a-half Napoleon Bonapartes standing on top of one another." Way to get history wrong in your story about history.

Or about 1/27th of a football field for the Americans

The classic American height reference would make it, depending how you're counting, 1/100 of an Empire State Building.

Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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post #27

There was already a museum of a Roman era settlement out in the plaza. It's somewhat confusingly named the Archeological Crypt, but it's not the crypt of the Notre Dame Cathedral. (The Cathedral doesn't have a crypt; I think the water table is too low to allow there to be significant spaces below the level of the nearby river.) So I'm unclear on exactly what this dig is. I get the impression that it's around the edge…

Definitely worth visiting if you’re there, along with the remains of the medieval fortress under the Louvre.

I second that recommendation. It's my favorite part of the Louvre. It's a very castle-looking castle; it feels like it's straight out of a movie.

To my mind, all of the best stuff in the Louvre is in the basement: the Codex Hammurabi, Babylonian artifacts, etc. Yeah, it's all just as stolen as the artifacts in the British Museum that get more attention, but it's more significant than their art collection that are "the greatest" because they said so.

(Not that they aren't also great works. But there are many great works, and the distinction of these has more to do with French nationalism than any serious consideration of artistic merit.)

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Not to engage in whataboutism, but every major power or even near-peer power has engaged in those types of atrocities. We like to talk about international law, but anyone who has paid attention understands that the only international law that exists is power. I wish it were different, but the language they spoke back then was conquest, and every nation and ethnicity spoke that language, and embraced it. And they were…

You're right, of course, but the post-War consensus in which (most) major powers (mostly) acknowledged international law and (mostly) restricted themselves to economic, rather than military, competition was... nice. It took the two most destructive wars in history, back-to-back, to reach that state of (imperfect, relative) peace, and I'm sorry to see it ending.

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The book Paris, 1200 is pretty good read for anyone interested in 'point in time' history: > Paris in 1200 was a city in transition. The great cathedral of Notre Dame was halfway through its construction and walls were being built to enclose the new, larger limits of the city. Pope Innocent III ordered all French churches closed to punish King Philip Augustus for his remarriage; the king himself negotiated an unprece…

Two other books in that vein that I really liked:

1. A World Lit Only by Fire — William Manchester

2. One Summer: America, 1927 — Bill Bryson

Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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Not to engage in whataboutism, but every major power or even near-peer power has engaged in those types of atrocities. We like to talk about international law, but anyone who has paid attention understands that the only international law that exists is power. I wish it were different, but the language they spoke back then was conquest, and every nation and ethnicity spoke that language, and embraced it. And they were…

Certainly not every people spoke the language of conquest. The high mountain ranges of the world are populated by peoples who escaped the conquering activity of their neighbors by moving upsteam into less and less easily cultivable terrain, land no one else wanted.

Re: Under Notre Dame, a 'dig of the century' unearths 1,700 years of history

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to engage in whataboutism, but every major power or even near-peer power has engaged in those types of atrocities. We like to talk about international law, but anyone who has paid attention understands that the only international law that exists is power. I wish it were different, but the language they spoke back then was conquest, and every nation and ethnicity spoke that language, and embraced it. And they were…

Certainly not every people spoke the language of conquest. The high mountain ranges of the world are populated by peoples who escaped the conquering activity of their neighbors by moving upsteam into less and less easily cultivable terrain, land no one else wanted.

I never said "every people". I said "every major power or even near-peer power". Isolated mountain villages and their people do not fall into the categories I referenced: (1) every major power; (2) near-peer power.
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