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How Fear and Social Pressure Are 'Overarming' the U.S.

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Re: How Fear and Social Pressure Are 'Overarming' the U.S.

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The whole concept of optimal levels of firearms ownership should have been expanded upon, as this premise is probably new to the audience and a cornerstone of their entire research.

Agreed, there's not a lot of substance here. I read the article more than once and still don't know if "overarming" means too many individuals own guns or too many guns per individual. I assume the former based on context. Also interesting is that they focus on the US but two out of three groups studied are not in the US.

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post #10

Boy, the game of telephone on the way to HN is really amazing. Paper: We make a stylized model that uses observed social networks in Honduran gangs and varies some parameters to match the US to see and it aligns with some things regarding how we exceed the socially optimal balance (based on the params). PR release: The researchers describe in Science Advances how individual incentives to buy firearms can lead to a ph…

>PR title: How Fear and Social Pressure Are ‘Overarming’ the U.S.

>HN title: Fear and Social Pressure Are ‘Overarming’ the U.S

the discrepancy between these two is because HN automatically strips "how" from the beginning of titles.

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post #5

Are people who are armed because they enjoy shooting or hunting supposed to exist in this research model or not?

Does it matter? Control of you life is your basic human right. Firearms are the great equalizer.

Isn’t there a massive body of research that indicates gun ownership is less safe on average that non-ownership? Ie the chance of accidental shooting of family/friends is high enough to offset any benefit (on average across the US)?

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Are people who are armed because they enjoy shooting or hunting supposed to exist in this research model or not?

The US is a country with lower hunting participation than many other western countries and yet an order of magnitude more gun owning households.

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Are people who are armed because they enjoy shooting or hunting supposed to exist in this research model or not?

The non-paranoid sportsman is a shrinking demographic, I fear, mostly due to decades of propaganda within the sportsman culture (magazines, organizations).

They still exist within academic and reservationist circles, but the grand majority of gun owners I know in my rural backcountry speak pretty matter-of-factly about racist and anti-social ideas (source: friends, family, and going to bars called things like Rusty’s, Bill’s, etc.)

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post #8

Anecdotally, a lot of politically far left people I know have gone quiet on the firearms issue. It seems like the state of the country has 2A suddenly making more sense to a lot of people.

YMMV but out of the people I know, the lefties are less likely to be hardcore pro-gun-control than the people who lean center-liberal, and this has been true for a long time. John Brown Gun Club, etc.

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post #5

Are people who are armed because they enjoy shooting or hunting supposed to exist in this research model or not?

Does it matter? Control of you life is your basic human right. Firearms are the great equalizer.

Sure but some people own like 30 guns. There’s more going on with gun ownership than just basic self defense.

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post #8

Anecdotally, a lot of politically far left people I know have gone quiet on the firearms issue. It seems like the state of the country has 2A suddenly making more sense to a lot of people.

Not to anyone who is hoping to avoid catastrophic civil disorder and mass murder (revolution/civil war/government crackdowns, however you want to label it), but I think some people have stopped hoping for that.

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It's worth remembering that the American founders considered an armed population an essential part of a free society capable of standing up against federal overreach. James Madison, Federalist 46:

>Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.

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