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MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by andriy_koval »

juancn wrote: post #24

I ended up getting two (one for each of my daughters). The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. It really just works. They have used Windows and Linux before (my kids and wife, that is), but something is always not quite right and needs my involvement. These days gone 100% Mac, my interventions are usually initial setup and whenever…

> The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. > It really just works.

chromebooks likely need even less attention

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by extraduder_ire »

osigurdson wrote: post #249
porridgeraisin wrote: post #165

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The price thing is really true. My current laptop i got at 48000 INR student discount (retailer at 65000) (the older HP Pavilion Aero 13inch). It's great 950g, 16gb ram, etc etc. still works well. this was many years ago. During this time macbooks were 90000 INR, and M1 was just coming out. Now the next era of laptops are all 1 lakh NR. Including the windows ones. Importantly, the mac is still 1 lakh. So it makes no…

It hurts, but I'll pay a premium for worse hardware that will run Linux. But for others in my family Macbooks are just far better value by a wide margin than Windows laptops. Vertical integration really wins these days.

I've been wondering for a while, how much of macos can you strip out and still run a VM with something like linux in it?

Ideally passing through as much of the hardware as possible, and booting right into that config. Running it natively is ideal, but projects like Asahi are forced to play catch up porting another OS to new devices.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by kraussvonespy »

vel0city wrote: post #237
codedokode wrote: post #103

The screen is too small, not usable for work, you can buy a 15-inch Linux laptop for the same price. And it might even have replaceable RAM and SSD. Also, 8 Gb is too little, it will become a useless toy several years later. Also, there are just 2 USB ports and no USB-A. Also I wonder how long the keyboard lasts and how does one replace it.

> no USB-A Also no RS-232 and Parallel. How do people expect to do real work if they can't connect their dot matrix printers directly? Wait, it doesn't even have a faxmodem either! What if I need to do real work like sending and receiving faxes? If its not happening on 3-part carbonless continuous paper its not work. This laptop is definitely not usable for real work .

You used the magic word "fax". I think you just told me you work in the medical industry without telling me you work in the medical industry.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by andriy_koval »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #322
bigyabai wrote: post #268

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They're honestly not competitive for inference, it's why datacenters largely ignore Apple Silicon. Even the M5 Max is still bottlenecked for dense models due to the relatively weak GPU and paltry ~500-600gb/s of GPU memory bandwidth. For reference, the RTX 5080 (a consumer GPU) has 1tb of VRAM bandwidth and runs circles around the M5 Max in GPU compute benchmarks: https://browser.geekbench.com/opencl-benchmarks Even…

> For reference, the RTX 5080 (a consumer GPU) has 1tb of VRAM bandwidth and runs circles around the M5 Max in GPU compute benchmarks: https://browser.geekbench.com/opencl-benchmarks NVIDIA hampers their GPUs with un-unified graphics memory, while the M series can use everything the computer has (well, you need to save 4GB or so). It also works on airplanes and in hotel rooms, a cheap NVIDIA server box with 64GB of R…

I think un-unified memory issue is solved by software layer in datacenter setting: model is distributed across multiple GPUs in the same server, or across multiple servers if model is extra large.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by vel0city »

kraussvonespy wrote: post #483
vel0city wrote: post #237

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> no USB-A Also no RS-232 and Parallel. How do people expect to do real work if they can't connect their dot matrix printers directly? Wait, it doesn't even have a faxmodem either! What if I need to do real work like sending and receiving faxes? If its not happening on 3-part carbonless continuous paper its not work. This laptop is definitely not usable for real work .

You used the magic word "fax". I think you just told me you work in the medical industry without telling me you work in the medical industry.

How else am I supposed to transmit all this PHI I'm digging up out of the file shed? I hear that new-fangled inter-network world-wide-web is insecure and full of hackers!

I've spent far too much of my life around faxes.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by [deleted] »

george_max wrote: post #374
brandon272 wrote: post #321

I have always had this notion that buying a Mac is the "premium" option, not just in quality, but maybe in price too. I am in the process of trying to find a business notebook for my spouse who is a Windows user. The goal is to have something that is as close to a Macbook Air as possible in terms of price, weight, performance and durability. What I am learning is that nothing that like that exists in the PC world. It…

Framework recently released their Laptop 13 Pro; their goal is to match Macbook quality while being fully open. The key issue is the price. I definitely agree with your statement -- it's unlikely the price to performance and quality ratio on Macbooks are going to be outperformed soon.

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Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

866-RON-0-FEZ wrote: post #77
tencentshill wrote: post #4

It's amazing you can get an iPad for $349 and a Macbook for $599. Even the plastic 2009 macbook alone was $999 at the lowest. Very strange to see a company do this when everything else just seems to have gone up and up.

It's not so amazing when you realize the Neo is an iPad's innards with a keyboard glued to it. $250 for a keyboard and a hinge. This is the same company that for years dragged their feet on the iPad Mini because Steve thought you would need "sandpaper to shave down your fingertips".

> It's not so amazing when you realize the Neo is an iPad's innards with a keyboard glued to it. $250 for a keyboard and a hinge.

that's cheaper than a Magic Keyboard, depending on the iPad :)

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Post by hurril »

anoncow wrote: post #238
nixass wrote: post #227

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> The price thing is really true. No price tag can make me use insufferable MacOS, the same as iOS.

Agreed. For programming , Linux > Mac, but Mac > Windows.

Anything in particular that your Linux experience adds over what is available on macOS?

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by wil421 »

frollogaston wrote: post #284
raspasov wrote: post #264

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Apple Intel laptop + a butterfly keyboard was the absolute gutter tier experience. Not only it was slow and ran hot, but after a few months a random key would get stuck and stop working.

Also touch bar, also was all USB-C at a time when there was 0 adoption (2016). I went out of my way to buy a 2015 model instead, held up for 10 years.

I was gifted a Touch Bar and bought an M1 air when they came out. It was a night a day difference. Fan speed and throttling killed the experience and Touch Bar was not good.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by happymellon »

RZelaya wrote: post #50
juancn wrote: post #24

I ended up getting two (one for each of my daughters). The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. It really just works. They have used Windows and Linux before (my kids and wife, that is), but something is always not quite right and needs my involvement. These days gone 100% Mac, my interventions are usually initial setup and whenever…

Once the Apple Silicon Macs came out, I converted my whole family from PC to Mac because the price to performance finally made sense. I'm the resident tech support for my family and some friends, so having them all playing in the Mac ecosystem made it way easier. My mom's fiance had a $3,000 Windows laptop for doing video editing. And I convinced him to get a $600 base M1 Mac Mini when they were new and he has never…

There was another article, I think it was the Dell making a MacBook Neo competitor, but it came up about second hand Macs not costing a lot now either.

Presumably because the Neo sets a new low price boundary, used M1s Macbook Airs are only a couple of hundred pounds. For a system that is still really competitive.

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