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Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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hulitu wrote: post #29
ak217 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 777 and 787 programs have never seen a passenger fatality resulting from an engineering defect. That is a monumental achievement in light of the passenger miles served. Boeing has its problems, but that record speaks for itself

From 787 wikipedia page: "On June 12, 2025, Air India Flight 171, an 11-year-old Boeing 787-8 registered as VT-ANB[398] operating from Ahmedabad Airport to London Gatwick Airport, crashed into the hostel building of B. J. Medical College shortly after takeoff. According to the preliminary Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau report released on July 8, 2025, the crash was caused by both engines shutting down after t…

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Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by wvbdmp »

cwizou wrote: post #19

Same thing happened to British Airways a few years ago on a 787, a misplaced security pin that was inserted in the wrong place during a maintenance operation. There are two very similar holes next to one another that can receive the pin, there's a picture at the bottom here : https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/318989 Wondering if the same mishap is behind it again.

Yikes, mojibake in 2021.

edit: actually, how did that happen? The apostrophes show up correctly, they’re just all preceded by a  that doesn’t seem to represent anything?

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by connorbrinton »

Havoc wrote: post #23

I don't understand how that caused several injuries among a pretty small group (staff)? Google says front wheel is about 1.68m. High but not crazy high. Plane body and people fall at same speed and it would be slower than actual freefall since the plane is vaguely balance-ish on rear wheels I'm sure the reporting is right but feels counterintuitive to me

My uneducated guess is that crew members in the back galley could have been injured by unsecured items they were loading falling or sliding. The service cart itself is 200-250 lbs. With the rear galley accelerating upward, then a sudden halt to the acceleration when the front nose impacts the ground, I could imagine the cart lifting off the ground and landing on feet or legs. Or putting the cart aside, other items such as drink cans, galley appliances, etc. falling from cabinets or counters could cause injury

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

Havoc wrote: post #23

I don't understand how that caused several injuries among a pretty small group (staff)? Google says front wheel is about 1.68m. High but not crazy high. Plane body and people fall at same speed and it would be slower than actual freefall since the plane is vaguely balance-ish on rear wheels I'm sure the reporting is right but feels counterintuitive to me

Because the tow guy called in the problem 10min prior and the mechanics were clustered around it deciding it it was a "get a new plane" sized problem and they did something and dropped it or whatever. Someone's hand got mashed, someone got bonked on the head and the boss spilled his coffee. Meanwhile inside the cabin whoever was febreezing vomit off the wall of the bathroom reached out to grab anything that was nearby when the plane lurched which turned out to be his coworker's ass and the fake nail grazed his eye when he got slapped for that. Some asshole manager probably slipped and fell rushing to chew them all out. And another guy got a bloody nose when he crashed his baggage tractor into a parked forklift at at 3mph because he was watching the whole deal rather than where he was going but he didn't report that one so he's not included in the total.

Yeah I'm pulling all that out my ass but I bet I'm closer than anyone around here wants me to be. However mundane and stupid you think ground ops are at an airport triple that and you'll be in the ballpark.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by Insanity »

root-parent wrote: post #27
Havoc wrote: post #23

I don't understand how that caused several injuries among a pretty small group (staff)? Google says front wheel is about 1.68m. High but not crazy high. Plane body and people fall at same speed and it would be slower than actual freefall since the plane is vaguely balance-ish on rear wheels I'm sure the reporting is right but feels counterintuitive to me

If you are inside the cabin and not expecting, would be sliding down quite a bit.

+1. And honestly you can injure yourself pretty badly by just falling down. Especially if you’re a bit older.

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by stefan_ »

cwizou wrote: post #19

Same thing happened to British Airways a few years ago on a 787, a misplaced security pin that was inserted in the wrong place during a maintenance operation. There are two very similar holes next to one another that can receive the pin, there's a picture at the bottom here : https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/318989 Wondering if the same mishap is behind it again.

The report on that incident says there was a hardware modification to make this impossible, to be incorporated before Jan 2023.

(It also says this happened to Boeing in 2018 and they ignored it, of course)

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by burnt-resistor »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #3

Can someone tell me if this is just confirmation bias or is Boeing really going down this hard? I mean management was obviously tanking since the McDonnell Douglas takeover, but did it really take almost 30 years for this to shine through? Or were these things underreported in the last decades?

The 1997 McDonnell Douglas acquisition led to their arrogant management culture replacing Boeing's, represented symbolically by the reference to The Economist cover September 10th-16th 1994 of camels fucking.

There have been many other safety defects and scandals swept under the rug, but they rarely make the news because they're detailed and complicated and corporate "news" isn't interested. Also, US presidents have defended them and US regulators run PR interference for them too.

The biggest one is the fact that unknowable 737 NG -6xx/-7xx/-8xx/-9xx structural fuselage elements including bear straps manufactured grossly out of spec by subcontractor Ducommun, declared "airworthy", and pounded into place on the Boeing fuselage assembly line on orders of management present greater risks of fuselage breakup during severe turbulence, runway overruns, and hard landings. There have already been fuselage breakups of NG airframes that 737 Classic aircraft survived more intact in similar circumstances. Most worryingly, there has been extensive retaliation against whistleblowers.

https://christinenegroni.com/boeing-workers-warn-of-737-ng-s...

Re: Several injured in Boeing 787 nose-gear collapse in Frankfurt

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Post by cryo32 »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #36
Havoc wrote: post #23

I don't understand how that caused several injuries among a pretty small group (staff)? Google says front wheel is about 1.68m. High but not crazy high. Plane body and people fall at same speed and it would be slower than actual freefall since the plane is vaguely balance-ish on rear wheels I'm sure the reporting is right but feels counterintuitive to me

Because the tow guy called in the problem 10min prior and the mechanics were clustered around it deciding it it was a "get a new plane" sized problem and they did something and dropped it or whatever. Someone's hand got mashed, someone got bonked on the head and the boss spilled his coffee. Meanwhile inside the cabin whoever was febreezing vomit off the wall of the bathroom reached out to grab anything that was nearb…

Yep. My brother was ground ops at Stansted. Knocked himself out cold falling over a traffic cone he just put out.

He's now an estate agent. Must have been the concussion.

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