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French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by Tade0 »

EB-BarringtonII wrote: post #17
Tade0 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe there is a qualitative difference between the governing systems in the west and a place where there are seven official allowed haircuts for men, aside from other things.

I believe there is a qualitative difference between the governing systems in a country that tries to regulate personal appearances, and one that would shift it's military to the other side of the planet, bombing and murdering Iranian school children and civilians en-masse for no particular reason. I also believe that your claim of seven "official allowed" haircuts is bs, as with almost everything I ever read about Ir…

If you talked with actual Iranians or people who've been in Iran, they would corroborate what I said. The IRGC truly aims to control every aspect of people's lives - it's less pronounced in places like Tehran, but it's definitely there.

Hell, if you read Marjane Satrapi's Persepolis, you would find plenty of similar examples. The haircuts are just the cherry on top of that authoritarian cake.

Also, the west is not just the US. Trump failed to find anyone willing to join him in his military adventures.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by frankieg33 »

eatonphil wrote: post #2

The movie was really beautifully done and I've wanted to read the book itself. Rest in peace.

I didn't realize there was a movie. Thanks for posting so I can check it out.

I will second, the graphic novel is excellent. Up there with Maus in terms of showing you a new perspective.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by fidotron »

the_af wrote: post #3
eatonphil wrote: post #2

The movie was really beautifully done and I've wanted to read the book itself. Rest in peace.

The book is beautiful too, I recommend it.

One of the most surprising things about the movie was how precisely it captured the artistic intent of the book. A serious achievement by those animators.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by inglor_cz »

rjsw wrote: post #20
inglor_cz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France was historically very interested in the Near and Middle East, though colonially somewhat less successful than the UK; Napoleon sailed to Egypt in 1799, and later the French Republic protected Lebanese and Syrian Christians, up to some point in history. People from the Levant still like to study in France (incl. Nassim Nicholas Taleb). Hence, France is considered a strong and culturally developed country in the…

A more recent influence came from the Sykes-Picot Agreement [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement

Yes, but there are more. For example, French engineers built the Suez Canal.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by mc32 »

NordStreamYacht wrote: post #4

What's the connection with France? Even Khomeini was in exile in France until the shah was deposed.

I guess kind of like Gabriel Garcia and Mexico, though I don't think Columbians would like anyone to describe him as having been Mexican (ex as Mexican-Columbian) in any way though he lived there for the majority of his life and had become very well integrated into the elite circles of Mexico city -that said, he never renounced his Columbian citizenship and I think he also considered himself Columbian and not Mexican --which makes sense, he was not born there and none of his parents were from there.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

EB-BarringtonII wrote: post #17
Tade0 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe there is a qualitative difference between the governing systems in the west and a place where there are seven official allowed haircuts for men, aside from other things.

I believe there is a qualitative difference between the governing systems in a country that tries to regulate personal appearances, and one that would shift it's military to the other side of the planet, bombing and murdering Iranian school children and civilians en-masse for no particular reason. I also believe that your claim of seven "official allowed" haircuts is bs, as with almost everything I ever read about Ir…

I don't see you shadow banned.

But complaining about upvotes and moderation is bad decorum and will get you downvoted out.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by colechristensen »

everdrive wrote: post #13

I always enjoyed the first half of Persepolis. Told from Satrapi's perspective, it was a very relatable story about a young child who was swept up by the world events around her, and tried to rebel in very normal, child-like ways. It was very relatable in that abstract sense, even if most of us have not been through a violent revolution. (and even more violent subsequent war with a neighboring state) The second half…

Do all stories need to be of virtue and success?

It seems like you're disappointed it wasn't a modern "noble savage" myth, that it was realistic instead of a fairy tale about a person coming from a bad place to a good place and being happy, wholesome, and free.

This kind of mythology is a pretty big problem in the western world right now as is the kneejerk reaction to it.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by p-e-w »

colechristensen wrote: post #37
everdrive wrote: post #13

I always enjoyed the first half of Persepolis. Told from Satrapi's perspective, it was a very relatable story about a young child who was swept up by the world events around her, and tried to rebel in very normal, child-like ways. It was very relatable in that abstract sense, even if most of us have not been through a violent revolution. (and even more violent subsequent war with a neighboring state) The second half…

Do all stories need to be of virtue and success? It seems like you're disappointed it wasn't a modern "noble savage" myth, that it was realistic instead of a fairy tale about a person coming from a bad place to a good place and being happy, wholesome, and free. This kind of mythology is a pretty big problem in the western world right now as is the kneejerk reaction to it.

That’s a rather uncharitable take on what the poster you’re responding to wrote.

I read Persepolis a few years ago, and it’s hard not to come away with a similar impression. The first part often does resemble a fairy tale of sorts, while the second part is a pretty dark story of teenage alienation. The contrast is jarring, and it goes well beyond “duh nobody’s perfect”.

Both parts are excellent in their own right, and quite unlike any other book I’ve read, but there is indeed something strange going on in part 2. Most readers will remember this, I think.

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by armenarmen »

Triphibian wrote: post #19
SSLy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And French is still language of educated class in some places in Levant, esp. Liban.

When I lived in Tehran in the late '70s people said "merci" to express thanks.

Armenia as well

Re: French-Iranian author Marjane Satrapi, author of 'Persepolis', dies at 56

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Post by EB-BarringtonII »

Tade0 wrote: post #31
EB-BarringtonII wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe there is a qualitative difference between the governing systems in a country that tries to regulate personal appearances, and one that would shift it's military to the other side of the planet, bombing and murdering Iranian school children and civilians en-masse for no particular reason. I also believe that your claim of seven "official allowed" haircuts is bs, as with almost everything I ever read about Ir…

If you talked with actual Iranians or people who've been in Iran, they would corroborate what I said. The IRGC truly aims to control every aspect of people's lives - it's less pronounced in places like Tehran, but it's definitely there. Hell, if you read Marjane Satrapi's Persepolis, you would find plenty of similar examples. The haircuts are just the cherry on top of that authoritarian cake. Also, the west is not ju…

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