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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by throwaway173738 »

peterbecich wrote: post #320
benzible wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

That cheapest option may not be the cheapest option in the long-term when the next Democratic president would re-activate the devices. Same reasoning as removal of many post office boxes in last days of Trump 1 term.

The post boxes were more about crippling mail-in votes. In Washington Bill De Joy had at one point dismantled several of the sorting machines which dramatically slowed how fast mail gets dispatched. The result was that you could no longer mail your vote the day before election day and have it arrive on election day.

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Post by nancyminusone »

lostmsu wrote: post #352
nancyminusone wrote: post #274

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Sure, I'll grow up and listen to riffs about how inhaling bleach fumes "gets in the lungs and does a tremendous number" or being exposed to a "very powerful light" are thought by same man above as a potential remedy for same disease with 100% seriousness.

> being exposed to a "very powerful light" Isn't ultraviolet sanitization a thing? Are you sure this quote isn't another bit taken out of context that would further prove the point?

He did not tell anyone to do these things nor do I claim he did. He did ask his staff to "look into" whether either of these sanitation methods "could be used inside the human body", which is a bit like if I asked my doctor if I could eat laundry soap and shampoo instead of showering and doing laundry.

The very fact that these ideas exist inside a US president's skull is VERY SAD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

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Post by tremon »

port11 wrote: post #288
benzible wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

But… why? Climate change is very much real and even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it. Ok, some people make some cash. But wouldn’t they anyway? I don’t understand this need to keep pandering to a minority and to destroy ecosystems.

Science is antithetical to rule-by-decree or other forms of despotism, since it strives to disprove any and all claims. The powers that be simply don't like to be told "you're wrong", and that is the core of what science does. It's as simple as that.

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Post by conartist6 »

kelnos wrote: post #304
port11 wrote: post #288

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But… why? Climate change is very much real and even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it. Ok, some people make some cash. But wouldn’t they anyway? I don’t understand this need to keep pandering to a minority and to destroy ecosystems.

Many deep-right voters do not believe in climate change. They're a big part of Trump's base.

You don't need a chart these days. I live in Boulder Colorado, and I can't imagine that we'll have more than 10 more ski seasons.

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Post by conartist6 »

port11 wrote: post #288
benzible wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't assume that this is about cost cutting. If the goal were saving money, the cheapest option by far would be to leave the hardware in the water and just stop funding the monitoring. Instead the plan is an expensive operation to send ships out to extract 900+ instruments from under two miles of ocean. It's clear that this is driven by performative climate denialism and a pro fossil fuel stance. The Trump admi…

But… why? Climate change is very much real and even stubborn deep-right voters like my father now ‘believe’ in it. Ok, some people make some cash. But wouldn’t they anyway? I don’t understand this need to keep pandering to a minority and to destroy ecosystems.

https://xkcd.com/3226/

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Post by mapontosevenths »

billfor wrote: post #225
mapontosevenths wrote: post #77

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‘If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any’ - Trump on COVID19

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To address the actual substance though: He was wrong about the facts as well. He's always wrong, that's why we jump on him. Not because he's bad at saying it, because what he's saying is almost always a giant lie based on his ostrich modeled positive thinking attitude.

If we ignore just the number of tests and instead look at number of tests per positive test during that time period guess what? The US was still in the top 20%. Meaning we actually had more cases, and it had nothing to do with the amount of testing we were doing. It had to do with us opening up faster and taking fewer precautions than other nations as a whole. Simply put, we had more as a percentage but that didn't align with his spin.

Below is a link to the actual data. Use the slider to set it to June 15th, 2020 (when he said this). The US had 25 tests per positive case, which left us ranked alongside nations like Bosnia and Mozambique while nations that took it more seriously like New Zealand had over 8,000 tests per positive result.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tests-per-confirmed-case-...

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Post by conception »

laylomo2 wrote: post #124

I'm asking in good faith here. If it's so critical, then why couldn't the same data be collected and published by another sovereign nation?

It could be.

But the US is already doing it, it’s already there. It benefits the entire world to have this data. It’s not expensive.

Why reinvent the wheel? More, why not let another country take it over?

The reason is because there are those with ties to the American government’s current administration that have decided they will benefit tremendously from climate change and don’t care about its consequences.

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Post by tremon »

opsnooperfax wrote: post #107
WolfeReader wrote: post #70

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That makes no sense whatsoever. Voting for Trump (or anyone with an R by their name) is wrong; sitting out a vote is wrong. Why save all the blame for the side that actually put up resistance, however ineptly?

I don’t think blue team good, red team bad is a very mature take on US politics. When it comes to substantive policy, voters do not get a choice. The same wars will be fought. The same lobbies will have their way. Just because one side will make tactless, self-deifying inaugural speeches about how the sea levels will cease to rise and the Earth will start to heal, that does not make it so. I think that if these senso…

The only sensible take is blue team good cop, red team bad cop; they're still both cops, working for the system and against you. You can see from the voting record that there's always just enough dems to defect to pass through any laws that the GOP wants through. The Democrats in congress are still guilty of treason against the Constitution, the number of exceptions to that rule remains in the single digits.

The only non-violent way to save your country is to primary all current incumbents and convict both party leadership for treason.

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Post by cmxch »

conartist6 wrote: post #384
kelnos wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many deep-right voters do not believe in climate change. They're a big part of Trump's base.

You don't need a chart these days. I live in Boulder Colorado, and I can't imagine that we'll have more than 10 more ski seasons.

Upside - Aspen loses it’s arrogant environmentalists and it starts mining silver again.
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