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UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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One thing I've seen a bit in Norway, and which is relevant this month, is opinion pieces by "concerned parents" that get their writing into national news, but a quick search show that they're often head of some bigoted organization. Of course they should be entitled to their opinion and be able to express it as any other, but the news papers not disclosing this is unethical imo.

Well of course, if you're a concerned parent or concerned person of any kind in Norway, the first thing you do is start an organization. There are even some who start many, in the hope of cross-pollination. What's more extreme to me is people like NRK's economy commentator Cecilie Langum Becker, who I read today went over to a lucrative job as communication chief in Aker. A corporate PR person by trade, for 8 years,…

I think you are underestimating these grass roots groups. Some of them are supported by foreign inyerests who want to undermine trust in the government.

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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It's not the message spoken that is at issue here, it is the lack of disclosure of the connection of "the expert" to those that benefit (or suffer) from the message.

Do you expect the same standard to be applied to the NHS? "The expert claiming that cancer is bad was employed by the NHS five years ago"

A correct analogue would be 'The expert stating that more should be spent on treatment X was employed in the NHS five years ago and currently runs/directs/consults for a business selling supplies for treatment X.'

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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The UK doesn't have some imperialist policy of land grabs like Russia, or diplomacy through violence. In the current Iranian war the UK is only allowing it's bases to launch defensive missions, i.e. strike offensive capability or incoming missiles. So no, it is in fact the defense sector. What countries have a defense sector, if the UK doesn't?

> In the current Iranian war the UK is only allowing it's bases to launch defensive missions, i.e. strike offensive capability If Iran struck all of the UK's missile factories and military bases, would it be considered a defensive or offensive action?

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Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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You could easily be describing the UK, Israel, and the USA, lol. Anyway, I live in the UK, and I don't swallow the same propaganda as you.

Which bit is the propaganda? Do you know any actual Iranians? I do!

I do and I agree with him. Iran is just one of many on a long list of supporters of terrorism which includes the US, the UK and Israel, plus many more countries like Turkey and Russia.

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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post #96

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One thing I've seen a bit in Norway, and which is relevant this month, is opinion pieces by "concerned parents" that get their writing into national news, but a quick search show that they're often head of some bigoted organization. Of course they should be entitled to their opinion and be able to express it as any other, but the news papers not disclosing this is unethical imo.

There was recently in Swedish media an article about harassment of Jews in Sweden and the guy they talked to was a member of a Zionist organisation who advocates for that Jews should move to Israel. It is fine to interview him, but such a clear conflict of interest should have been disclosed.

I would argue it's not fine to interview him when (from the sound of it) he literally works for a hostile foreign intelligence agency

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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It is interesting to look at the details and see who the (news) 'media' are in this case. Going through the details, I find 1 instance (under Kemp) of the BBC, and everyone else is the 'usual suspects', the Telegraph , the Mail , GB News , the Sun , the Times , and so forth. The Guardian is only mentioned in context of exposing these conflicts of interests; and whilst I am surprised to find LBC and Nation Cymru as no…

The survey excluded veterans with no commercial ties. Maybe those publications not mentioned used them instead.

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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post #97

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Which bit is the propaganda? Do you know any actual Iranians? I do!

I do and I agree with him. Iran is just one of many on a long list of supporters of terrorism which includes the US, the UK and Israel, plus many more countries like Turkey and Russia.

I made exactly no comments about other countries or a comparison. That is a different argument.

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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It's the UK we're talking about here. To skip the currently political sensitive topics of who is helping who with what, who feels the consequences, what prices are affected because of that, let's go a bit further in the past... for example, UK taxpayers money went for bombing Iraq for the "weapons of mass destruction" when Tony Blair already knew those didn't exist. At some point you have to ask, is it really for def…

You can't just skip the currently present and urgent defence requirements because they're "politically sensitive" and then go twenty years back to support your point. But even if you want to do that, why don't you go just a couple more years further and argue that Bosnians should've been left to be genocided?

Are you arguing the UK involvement in Bosnia was to defend the UK?
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