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Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Post by zipy124 »

cryo32 wrote: post #59
echelon_musk wrote: post #50

> How the UK Security Services neutralised ‘The Guardian’ newspaper (2019) (dailymaverick.co.za) > 3 points by indigodaddy on June 2, 2023 | past | 1 comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36170406 https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-09-11-how-the-u...

I'm not sure that the Grauniad has a particularly good global reputation for independent and critical journalism . It publishes the same mix of disguised opinion pieces and rather biased junk articles as the other side of the political spectrum. There isn't a single news source that you can trust as such. You have to compile a lot of them, remove the unverified information and see what is left. Usually not a lot.

Whilst not commenting on that, a fascinating quote from the article you are replying to is:

"Viner also oversaw the breakup of The Guardian’s celebrated investigative team, whose muck-racking journalists were told to apply for other jobs outside of investigations."

This tells you something about why you might feel that way.

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Post by cryo32 »

daveshistory wrote: post #72
cryo32 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that the Grauniad has a particularly good global reputation for independent and critical journalism . It publishes the same mix of disguised opinion pieces and rather biased junk articles as the other side of the political spectrum. There isn't a single news source that you can trust as such. You have to compile a lot of them, remove the unverified information and see what is left. Usually not a lot.

I sort of disagree with this. I bet if you asked liberals and progressives in a country like America for a foreign newspaper they read -- if they do read one -- in most cases it is probably the Guardian. So it may be only the best of a bad bunch but it does have that reputation.

Never thought of it from that perspective. They should read multiple sources too. BBC as well, which once the articles have settled, are quite good. (just ignore the breaking stuff which is dubious sometimes)

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Post by zipy124 »

echelon_musk wrote: post #50

> How the UK Security Services neutralised ‘The Guardian’ newspaper (2019) (dailymaverick.co.za) > 3 points by indigodaddy on June 2, 2023 | past | 1 comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36170406 https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-09-11-how-the-u...

fascinating article thank you for posting. Everyone should read this!

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Post by Npovview »

throawayonthe wrote: post #55
flumpcakes wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK doesn't have some imperialist policy of land grabs like Russia, or diplomacy through violence. In the current Iranian war the UK is only allowing it's bases to launch defensive missions, i.e. strike offensive capability or incoming missiles. So no, it is in fact the defense sector. What countries have a defense sector, if the UK doesn't?

war is peace etc etc

"Department of War" was renamed as "Department of Defense" because Edward Bernays (the greatest propagandist who ever lived) said so.

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Post by pjc50 »

JdeBP wrote: post #76

It is interesting to look at the details and see who the (news) 'media' are in this case. Going through the details, I find 1 instance (under Kemp) of the BBC, and everyone else is the 'usual suspects', the Telegraph , the Mail , GB News , the Sun , the Times , and so forth. The Guardian is only mentioned in context of exposing these conflicts of interests; and whilst I am surprised to find LBC and Nation Cymru as no…

> the Telegraph, the Mail, GB News, the Sun, the Times

Indeed. These are pay-to-play propaganda and should not be accorded the dignity of "newspaper". Peter Oborne's resignation from the Telegraph is still worth reading: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31510152

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Post by CrzyLngPwd »

cryo32 wrote: post #48
CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran. It didn't attack anyone until it was attacked. It has been defending itself.

They have been trying to kill people in the UK for years. And have been funding proxies everywhere, some of whom have attacked the UK. We're not really even involved and I find it hard to agree with this point. However it should have been dealt with earlier rather than latent bombing.

You could easily be describing the UK, Israel, and the USA, lol.

Anyway, I live in the UK, and I don't swallow the same propaganda as you.

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Post by defrost »

philipallstar wrote: post #69
defrost wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just on the facts, * assisting US offensive actions, * weapons sales for offensive usage (eg: The UK government admits that Saudi Arabia has used UK weapons, made by companies around the UK, in its attacks on Yemen.)

How is that "almost all"?

Did I say that?

Perhaps direct your Socratic Simplicio more accurately.

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Post by cryo32 »

zipy124 wrote: post #81
cryo32 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that the Grauniad has a particularly good global reputation for independent and critical journalism . It publishes the same mix of disguised opinion pieces and rather biased junk articles as the other side of the political spectrum. There isn't a single news source that you can trust as such. You have to compile a lot of them, remove the unverified information and see what is left. Usually not a lot.

Whilst not commenting on that, a fascinating quote from the article you are replying to is: "Viner also oversaw the breakup of The Guardian’s celebrated investigative team, whose muck-racking journalists were told to apply for other jobs outside of investigations." This tells you something about why you might feel that way.

That's what happens when you employ someone on their political stance (CND poster girl) rather than their editorial integrity...

Re: UK media fails to disclose defence sector links in nearly 60% of cases

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Post by philipallstar »

defrost wrote: post #88
philipallstar wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that "almost all"?

Did I say that? Perhaps direct your Socratic Simplicio more accurately.

You were answering this:

> > Almost all of that sector's activity involves offensive activity.

> What do you mean? As in invading other countries?

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