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Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by inquirerGeneral »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #8
BrunoBernardino wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, you don't need to top up (only click the link or try a search) _and_ do the captcha. You can _either_ top up for a month, _or_ do the proof-of-work captcha (should just be clicking a checkbox and giving it a few seconds). The reason for the higher barrier of entry is bots/abuse. Up until a few weeks ago we didn't even have the captcha option. Without any kind of identification, it's impossible to prevent…

I'm not making a freaking account before I can even run a single search.

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Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by BrunoBernardino »

danielspace23 wrote: post #12

I think that, more than EU metasearch engines, we need EU search indexes. EUSP is already something, but they seem to be working rather slowly, compared to how quickly Brave built their own index. It's also trivial to run a perfectly working metasearch engine with the same sources as Uruky, it's called Searxng. In any case, good luck on this project. I personally don't think it's for me. Maybe a better user interface…

Yes! Uruky Site Search is our own EU-based index and we'd love to expand it, but that takes an enormous amount of resources (which we don't yet have).

Besides EUSP we also allow you to choose and use Mojeek and Marginalia, two other big EU-based indexes, and by using Uruky with them, you're supporting them financially, directly.

Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by BrunoBernardino »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #8
BrunoBernardino wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, you don't need to top up (only click the link or try a search) _and_ do the captcha. You can _either_ top up for a month, _or_ do the proof-of-work captcha (should just be clicking a checkbox and giving it a few seconds). The reason for the higher barrier of entry is bots/abuse. Up until a few weeks ago we didn't even have the captcha option. Without any kind of identification, it's impossible to prevent…

I'm not making a freaking account before I can even run a single search.

To create an account you only need to click a link (so the account number can be randomly generated for you), not provide any information. I understand if that's not good enough for you, though.

Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by BrunoBernardino »

aniviacat wrote: post #10
BrunoBernardino wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, you don't need to top up (only click the link or try a search) _and_ do the captcha. You can _either_ top up for a month, _or_ do the proof-of-work captcha (should just be clicking a checkbox and giving it a few seconds). The reason for the higher barrier of entry is bots/abuse. Up until a few weeks ago we didn't even have the captcha option. Without any kind of identification, it's impossible to prevent…

You may want to clarify that in your FAQ, which states this in the very first entry: > Unfortunately, due to the fact it's too costly to properly avoid bots and other automated tools from abusing our service, we don't offer a free trial.

Argh, stale docs! Thanks for the notice, I'll push that fix in the next update later today (currently in the middle of adding an optional date filter).

Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by BrunoBernardino »

aniviacat wrote: post #9

> EU search providers (Marginalia, Mojeek, EUSP, etc.). Does this mean this is just a meta search engine without its own index? If so, the comparison to Kagi seems misleading. The question would turn from "why not Kagi" to "why not SearxNG".

Good question! We also have Uruky Site Search, our own index, which is quite tiny at the moment, but we hope to grow, eventually. Kagi's own index is Teclis, which is one of their smaller providers as well.

Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by BrunoBernardino »

my_throwaway23 wrote: post #14

As much as I'd prefer a smaller, non-american operator (for most anything really), I'm extremely hesitant to pay directly for search. For this service, the "just an ID as account" looks nice and private on the surface, but once you look at payment methods, it's 100% personally identifiable. If it's so privacy-focused - where's the payment option for transferring Monero? As for the code - don't get me started. Source…

We're working towards accepting cash by mail in a month or two, and regarding cryptocurrencies, we've been trying to reach out to proxysto.re unsuccessfully for that. If you know of a similar option, we'd love to hear about it!

Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by carlosjobim »

danielspace23 wrote: post #12

I think that, more than EU metasearch engines, we need EU search indexes. EUSP is already something, but they seem to be working rather slowly, compared to how quickly Brave built their own index. It's also trivial to run a perfectly working metasearch engine with the same sources as Uruky, it's called Searxng. In any case, good luck on this project. I personally don't think it's for me. Maybe a better user interface…

Suggested name: Memory hole.

Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by BrunoBernardino »

evilmonkey19 wrote: post #13

I really like the idea and that it's eu-made a love it. A fee things I see with kagi which are useful and improvements: - Hire a UI/UX person NOW! My parents and gf like using google and kagi because are easy to use. - add the widgets like the football or the show the local store with the phone number asap. My gf is thinking about moving away from kagi because of this. - the quick ai response is extremely useful. - I…

Thank you for your suggestions and support!

- Ouch. We get a lot of love for our UI/UX, which I guess just goes to show taste is personal. If you have any particular points of friction, we'd love to hear about them.

- Only Serper allows for this, so we're very hesitant. If other providers allowed it, we could definitely consider it.

- We won't have Generative AI, sorry.

- Could you clarify?

- Check out the interview I gave The Privacy Dad, I explain the problems for something like that.

- Roger!

Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by embedding-shape »

evilmonkey19 wrote: post #13

I really like the idea and that it's eu-made a love it. A fee things I see with kagi which are useful and improvements: - Hire a UI/UX person NOW! My parents and gf like using google and kagi because are easy to use. - add the widgets like the football or the show the local store with the phone number asap. My gf is thinking about moving away from kagi because of this. - the quick ai response is extremely useful. - I…

> Uruky is a private search engine focused on personalization

> - Indexing websites is super important. People doesnt know where to put the content in a website or how to make accessible. Many times i use google due to this fact.

Is there a way to build a search engine that doesn't involve either building or accessing a index somehow? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, is this for the website builders or for the users, who the "indexing of websites" is super important? The "people doesn't know" part sounds like it's for website authors, but the last part makes it sound like the context is search engine users.

Re: Show HN: Uruky (EU-based Kagi alternative) now has Image Search and URL Rewrites

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Post by embedding-shape »

BrunoBernardino wrote: post #26
my_throwaway23 wrote: post #14

As much as I'd prefer a smaller, non-american operator (for most anything really), I'm extremely hesitant to pay directly for search. For this service, the "just an ID as account" looks nice and private on the surface, but once you look at payment methods, it's 100% personally identifiable. If it's so privacy-focused - where's the payment option for transferring Monero? As for the code - don't get me started. Source…

We're working towards accepting cash by mail in a month or two, and regarding cryptocurrencies, we've been trying to reach out to proxysto.re unsuccessfully for that. If you know of a similar option, we'd love to hear about it!

If the goal truly is privacy, and that's why you're adding cryptocurrency options, then adding a middleman like "proxysto.re" or any other, then you're not giving users the privacy you say you want to give. You really need to handle that on your end, if that's something you want to offer for the purpose of privacy.

Take a look at how Mullvad implemented it, which I guess is where you got the "cash in a letter" method from, they also handle cryptocurrencies by themselves for exactly this reason, there is no way for you to actually be able to fulfill the privacy promise otherwise.

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