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Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by lxas »

2001zhaozhao wrote: post #74

I think Apple's cost efficiency advantages are really compounding now and it'll get increasingly hard for competitors to catch up. Everything they put in the product is either in-house or benefit from their scale and negotiating power. In the MacBook Neo's case, everything from the in-house chipset and scale (for stuff like aluminum body) and the more RAM-efficient software is working in its favor. I'd bet that a dif…

You’re right, and it really comes down to the years and years of production buildup and engineering experience that Apple has with its SoCs. It seems almost impossible for other laptop manufacturers, who still rely on sourcing CPUs from Intel and AMD, to be able to compete. Chip design isn’t even an ability that most if not all other laptop companies currently have.

Apple is also uniquely good at smoothly transitioning users to new tech, e.g. the creation and phase-out of Rosetta 2. It’s hard to imagine a switch to Windows ARM would go over well without a large effort like this.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by jogu »

prmoustache wrote: post #420
brandon272 wrote: post #321

I have always had this notion that buying a Mac is the "premium" option, not just in quality, but maybe in price too. I am in the process of trying to find a business notebook for my spouse who is a Windows user. The goal is to have something that is as close to a Macbook Air as possible in terms of price, weight, performance and durability. What I am learning is that nothing that like that exists in the PC world. It…

> appears to come with a pretty poor trackpad in comparison. What is this trackpad obsession with macbooks? Granted I use mostly a mouse when on my desk but I am mostly a thinkpad user (but I've used dell and hp professionally in the past too) and to me trackpads have been a solved problem for around 2 decades. They work fine. I slide my finger and the pointer move. I use 2 of them and it scrolls, etc. What is so dif…

The size, texture, precision, functionality (tapping, multi-finger), palm rejection are all just about flawless on Macbooks. Other manufacturers have good trackpads that are great at some of these things but never all of them.

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Post by jogu »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #410
brandon272 wrote: post #321

I have always had this notion that buying a Mac is the "premium" option, not just in quality, but maybe in price too. I am in the process of trying to find a business notebook for my spouse who is a Windows user. The goal is to have something that is as close to a Macbook Air as possible in terms of price, weight, performance and durability. What I am learning is that nothing that like that exists in the PC world. It…

Panasonic Toughbook FZ-55, either Mk2 or Mk3. They can be had cheaply on eBay, and you can buy parts directly from Panasonic if you want to. If you have money to burn, the new FZ-56.

The Panasonic Toughbook range isn't even the same class of device as Macbooks. They're like twice the size and significantly heavier.

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Post by DanielHB »

whateverboat wrote: post #179
juancn wrote: post #24

I ended up getting two (one for each of my daughters). The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. It really just works. They have used Windows and Linux before (my kids and wife, that is), but something is always not quite right and needs my involvement. These days gone 100% Mac, my interventions are usually initial setup and whenever…

I'm probably one of the few people who prefer Linux+KDE stack over macbook software ecosystem. But hardware wise, macbooks are just blowing other laptops out of water after M3-M4. It's not that mac have become much better but that the rest of the lapto pindustry has just gone to shit: 1. Windows pulling more and more shenanigans 2. Normal laptop hardware becoming as pricey as Mac. I could get much better performance…

Gaming on Linux is also way better than mac since Proton became a big thing.

I too prefer Linux + KDE, overall it has been cause _less_ problems than macOS for me and I like the extra customizability.

The only thing keeping my work computer a mac is that I need to run iOS simulators.

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Post by DanielHB »

baq wrote: post #263
whateverboat wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm probably one of the few people who prefer Linux+KDE stack over macbook software ecosystem. But hardware wise, macbooks are just blowing other laptops out of water after M3-M4. It's not that mac have become much better but that the rest of the lapto pindustry has just gone to shit: 1. Windows pulling more and more shenanigans 2. Normal laptop hardware becoming as pricey as Mac. I could get much better performance…

Indeed there aren’t many of us, but macOS is easily the worst part of the Mac experience, and worryingly it’s getting comparatively worse vs kde or even gnome each year. ‘It’s POSIX’ doesn’t cut it when I deploy to Linux and I work in containers all day anyway (and wsl is better than macOS at this, too, but the rest of windows went downhill real bad recently). The problem is even before the rampocalypse it just wasn’…

Is WSL better for running containers? I find macos really annoying when dealing with containers, especially first setup.

It is baffling to me how many backend devs who work with containers all day don't understand that using containers on mac (and windows) requires a full-blown virtual machine. While in linux you just run them.

Re: MacBook Neo is so popular that Apple doubled production

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Post by DanielHB »

rbanffy wrote: post #205
whateverboat wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm probably one of the few people who prefer Linux+KDE stack over macbook software ecosystem. But hardware wise, macbooks are just blowing other laptops out of water after M3-M4. It's not that mac have become much better but that the rest of the lapto pindustry has just gone to shit: 1. Windows pulling more and more shenanigans 2. Normal laptop hardware becoming as pricey as Mac. I could get much better performance…

Apart from the GUI environment, the Mac is a Unix and I find it hard to notice much difference between it and a Linux. I use MacPorts on my Macs and there is no drama with command line tools. On my work Mac I don’t have sudo and I still could install MacPorts with zero issues.

sed has different syntax on macos because macos is based on BSD.

Really annoying to get a ticket "fix this build script for macos" and it is freaking sed compatibility issues.

edit: to be fair that happened once, but it was annoying

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Post by infecto »

prmoustache wrote: post #403
infecto wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of that reason is Microsoft office is a third class citizen on macOS. Edit: Not sure why this would get downvoted. Weird. It absolutely lags behind windows version of the products by years. Excel did not get ribbon key shortcuts until 6 months ago. It’s a pretty terrible experience for most power users.

Many companies nowadays only provide the most basic office license with only web access to office apps for most of their employees. So for those that puts all OS at the same level. Having said that software lagging in versions/features doesn't mean users are less efficient using the older tool. Are todays office users more efficient in word and excel with the ribbon than they were using office97 a few decades ago? Ha…

Sure if you are a basic user it’s no issue. Basic being someone using 1% of the feature set. The moment you start developing any skills in office there is an actual difference in the product. Like I already said, MacOS did not have ribbon shortcuts until a few months ago. That’s simply insulting that such a core function for users would be missing.

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Post by infecto »

ramgine wrote: post #395
infecto wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of that reason is Microsoft office is a third class citizen on macOS. Edit: Not sure why this would get downvoted. Weird. It absolutely lags behind windows version of the products by years. Excel did not get ribbon key shortcuts until 6 months ago. It’s a pretty terrible experience for most power users.

Anecdotal but I’m a sysadmin in the IT dept in my rather larger company and have zero issues with office on my daily driver m2 Mac Pro. On my Dell precision running win 11 I constantly have issues with outlook, teams, etc.

Cannot speak to bugs but purely functionality. Historically speaking the macOS products lag by years.
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