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Also the level of reverse engineering here is kinda bananas. I almost don’t believe he was able to find the transfer functions for the dsp bias equations w/o some source guidance. I mean that’s just bad ass if he did it without help.
My brain hurts any time I hear about a completed hardware hack, but this write-up just takes the cake. My experience with hardware RE is limited to a class project hacking a cheap router, and there even after 3 weeks I couldn't make sense of the can of worms that is interfacing with JTAG using OpenOCD. It's like looking at bats and then shouting into the dark and somehow you get the right words for echolocation. Then you do it for 10 animals in a row. I will check out Wrongbaud's guide.
So my question is: how do you learn to speak the dozens of languages for hardware? Every step in this project, from soldering custom modules to figuring out correct JTAG settings to inferring flash layout to reversing checksums, seems like it would take me a lifetime. What was the path to be able to do this in one lifetime?
This is awesome, couldn't the firmware just be extracted from the updater though?
It is so easy to use signature verification and even encrypted XIP with Mcuboot it just blows my mind that companies don’t. Also the level of reverse engineering here is kinda bananas. I almost don’t believe he was able to find the transfer functions for the dsp bias equations w/o some source guidance. I mean that’s just bad ass if he did it without help.
I tried plotting them, and I got something that looked right when I inverted the denominator coefficients. I guess this is fairly standard practice because then the difference equation is all positive sums and it can be implemented with a bunch of multiply-accumulates.
However there were still some discrepancies in overall gain between different types (most lined up, but a couple did not). I saw another array of integers indexed by the cabinet type that had negative values, most with -23 but a couple with -12, which I figured must be a decibel gain correction. It was only after accounting for that and seeing the final graph in the post where everything lined up and looked plausible that I was pretty sure I had it right.
So, mostly just general familiarity with digital EQ filters and a bit of luck.
If I were an alien and saw this, I would run. Terrifying. My brain hurts any time I hear about a completed hardware hack, but this write-up just takes the cake. My experience with hardware RE is limited to a class project hacking a cheap router, and there even after 3 weeks I couldn't make sense of the can of worms that is interfacing with JTAG using OpenOCD. It's like looking at bats and then shouting into the dark…
Some examples:
* Once you've learned a few chip pinouts, you can pretty much guess unknown pinouts just from identifying a few ground/control/address pins, as even chip-on-board globs follow similar layouts [1]. However, despite plenty of datasheet archives being publicly available, none of them allow you to actually search by pin function [2], so you potentially have to go through dozens of datasheets of similar model ids to find what you need.
* UART baud rates that are likely used are in the single digits, they can be easily bruteforced.
* JTAG pins you need to interface with can go up to a dozen or so, there are enumeration scripts you can run in an Arduino to identify which pin has which function. These scripts also identify the IDCODE which you can lookup against boundary scan files if you need so [3]. But in most cases, you will interface with JTAG without thinking of the state machine behind it.
* Reverse engineering memory maps is a matter of following data read/write patterns and inferring associated functionality. You will bump into several address cross-references that also hint at what are the base addresses of each map. It's a more general skill you develop as you go, and Ghidra's decompilation made it much more accessible in the last years. The author went with a elaborate linker script but a more bare-bones approach would be to link code as a distinct ELF object, then copy its text section over to offset 0x20A0000-0x2010000 in the firmware image, and patch the initializers.
* Soldering and associated skills can also be self-learned from tutorials, pick several videos and learn the tricks/mistakes each of them cover.
So, in practice? Each of these does not require a vast amount of knowledge for things to happen, even allowing one to skip required reading of huge bibles that are recommended to electronics beginners. This is how a lifetime gets reduced to a few months of non-working hours.
When getting into hardware hacking, what I felt was the main blocker is how a lot is described at a superficial level, without enough breadcrumbs one can follow to reproduce the same results. Sure, the pictures of spaghetti wires and decapped chips look awesome, but nobody learns from that. Unlike the software side where you are given the source and everything you need to lookup is in front of you.
[1]: https://qufb.gitlab.io/writeups/mysteries
Love it! I have the THR10 non-"C" version of this amp and often wondered if it's hackable.
I have always been wondering if I could upgrade it to get closer to the THR10.
It's so portable but therefor lacks a couple of knobs. When using the USB connection and some unofficial controller app that I found somewhere, all the knobs were available!
It would be cool if I could just stick some knobs somewhere on the side and make it do more stuff :) But I've also been hoping the connectors for the knobs may just already sit there, unsused.
This encouraged me to finally open it up and check what I can find.
It is so easy to use signature verification and even encrypted XIP with Mcuboot it just blows my mind that companies don’t. Also the level of reverse engineering here is kinda bananas. I almost don’t believe he was able to find the transfer functions for the dsp bias equations w/o some source guidance. I mean that’s just bad ass if he did it without help.
i'm pleasantly surprised when products don't come with all the security features :) hopefully it was their intent and not a fluke.
the amount of hoops hobbyist hackers need to jump through in order to play around is really getting out of hand.
This stuff still is magic to me. Wonderful work!
It is so easy to use signature verification and even encrypted XIP with Mcuboot it just blows my mind that companies don’t. Also the level of reverse engineering here is kinda bananas. I almost don’t believe he was able to find the transfer functions for the dsp bias equations w/o some source guidance. I mean that’s just bad ass if he did it without help.