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U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Re: U.S. to dismantle system tracking Atlantic currents that are at risk of collapse

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

SilverElfin wrote: post #33

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> And it’s not just a Trump or Republican thing either. For example crime stats in blue cities ...

Trying to "both sides" dismantling oceanographic science by equivocating it with "blue cities often tell a misleading story" is disingenuous at best and can easily be interpreted as deceitful by a reasonable person.

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Post by SilverElfin »

emodendroket wrote: post #38
SilverElfin wrote: post #33

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This doesn't really seem relevant, nor does it seem credible that only Democrats are ever tempted to use trickery to make crime rates seem better than they are.

It’s directly relevant. You change data collection to present a false narrative and there are many ways to do it. Shutting down the ocean data infrastructure is one example. It presents a false narrative on climate change.

The same is possible in other contexts like crime stats. You can avoid crime data collection by creating friction in reporting crimes. Or change incentives to report crime by not doing anything with reports. Or not submit data to places that collect it. And so on.

I’m not saying “only democrats” either - they aren’t - but it’s a common issue in blue cities that have obvious crime issues despite government PR about crime rates.

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Post by dnautics »

snaking0776 wrote: post #52

This strikes me as one of the recent moves by our political/capital class where they think that if they just remove the information that’s inconvenient for them, people will stop caring and let them do what they want. You only need to listen to the bosses who so many of us work for to know that they think climate change is just an inconvenience in the way of progress. Only time will tell if this strategy will work or…

It's arguably not particularly inconvenient for the us political class? the us has been on a tear reducing per capita ghg emissions (also trade corrected ghg emissions). this has been going on for five decades now (consistently 2.5) independent of whether administrations or congress have been red or blue

iiuc us per capita emissions are not far from 1910s levels

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Post by _bypa »

maebert wrote: post #46

> Democrats in Congress have said they will “fight” plans to dismantle the system Putting “fight” into quotes here is terrific amount of low level shade for a scientific publication. chef’s kiss

"Proffer a strongly worded capitulation" was probably too much for publication.

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Post by egypturnash »

spankibalt wrote: post #41
kombine wrote: post #17

Let's not forget those from the big tech (you know the names) who kneeled before the king.

77,302,580 Americans made it happen. 87,037,184 voting-elligible Americans sat it out.

Sat it out, or were forced out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict...

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Post by OutOfHere »

Rekindle8090 wrote: post #48
spankibalt wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

77,302,580 Americans made it happen. 87,037,184 voting-elligible Americans sat it out.

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Both sides had their "worst" candidate, but in different ways. One of them was a convicted felon.

Democrats will continue to lose while they revel in their corruption by putting forward selfish candidates that are least likely to win.

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Post by WolfeReader »

Rekindle8090 wrote: post #48
spankibalt wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

77,302,580 Americans made it happen. 87,037,184 voting-elligible Americans sat it out.

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That makes no sense whatsoever. Voting for Trump (or anyone with an R by their name) is wrong; sitting out a vote is wrong. Why save all the blame for the side that actually put up resistance, however ineptly?
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