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Post by bigyabai »

jjulius wrote: post #548
doublerabbit wrote: post #518

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When was the last time you applied for a job and got an interview? I was on a salary of $550 a day with a bank. I left because how grim banks are. I have yet to find another job that pays that much outside of a banking circuit. If meta is paying you high-end why would you give it up for something that pays you less?

>If meta is paying you high-end why would you give it up for something that pays you less? Sure, because I don't value high-end living. A modest living is enough to keep me happy. If I can provide a happy, comfortable life for my family, we're good. It would irk me deeply to set aside my values for the sake of a boatload of cash that I don't actually need.

Everyone says this, and then rushes out to buy the new iPhone, subscribe to Netflix and post about it to X or Facebook.

Everyone is addicted to unnecessary luxury. If I suggested that you take a principled stance, your lifestyle would be offended.

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Post by jaggederest »

jessetemp wrote: post #440
staplung wrote: post #412

Reminds me of one of the more brilliant passages in Snow Crash , describing work in "Fed Land"... ''' Y.T's mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this m…

Makes me wonder what it’s like to identify with the villains in media. Zuck looking at the metaverse and thinking hey that’s a good idea! Or Thanos wasn’t so bad. Those rebel scum had it coming. Homelander is the good guy!

Funnily enough, Snow Crash was the origin of the metaverse as a term.

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Post by OJFord »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #558
OJFord wrote: post #549

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I haven't read it, but if it's written in the first person with the narrator referring to themself as 'YT', then it's at least consistent? If yours truly suddenly referred to my mother, or indeed if I referred to yours truly's mother, that would be more jarring I think?

That’s not what’s happening. Snow Crash has an omniscient 3rd person narrator. A protagonist (but not THAT Protagonist!) is named Y.T. (street nickname for Yours Truly) and her mom doesn’t matter. She’s environmental set dressing.

Called YT by someone other than herself?

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Post by kreyenborgi »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #540
ethbr1 wrote: post #500

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> All the techbros love them some Lord of the Rings. While being completely oblivious to the literary themes. But as the meme goes, tech bro philosophy is just sophomore know-it-all-shallowly-ism. Because reading deeply would require spending more time, which is a well-known anti-pattern.

They justify it as defending their way of life, which can align with Tolkien a little bit with some mental gymnastics > I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. but overall Tolkien was against war, being a veteran of WWI himself, and the LOTR saga is about the heroism of the meek. Peter Thiel clearly loves the…

> Thiel clearly loves the sword for its sharpness

Palantir ceo too: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/alex-karp-wielding-a-sword

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Post by ryukoposting »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #375
ryukoposting wrote: post #324

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One thing I have observed so far in SV (haven't been here long) is that folks who work in big tech but aren't from the US don't fully understand the difference in costs depending where you live in the US. I have to wonder if that informs the decision to stay in SV no matter what the work is. Like, intellectually they know that it costs less to live in Beaverton Michigan than it costs to live in Palo Alto. But the mag…

Apart from housing the costs aren’t that much more. You pay the same to travel. You pay the same to buy stuff online. Food is maybe slightly more but it’s not that significant. Once you get past being able to afford housing it’s insanely lucrative. It’s harder for entry level people of course.

Groceries cost anywhere between 25% and 100% more depending on the item (200% more if you shop at Safeway). Gas costs ~50% more. Electric is 200% more unless you live in Santa Clara, in which case it's roughly normal. Water costs more.

All forms of labor cost more (handyman, mechanic, etc). Fast food costs more, normal restaurants cost more.

And that's all before you consider CA sales tax.

But yeah flights are the same so it's basically the same. Sure.

The only thing that's cheaper here than in a flyover state is lemons, as far as I can tell.

Also remember that your net income does not scale proportionally to your gross income. The math still works out, but "rent is more and that's it" doesn't even get close to an accurate picture.

And sure, a Porsche in California costs the same as a Porsche in Kansas, but if you're in "porsche ownership" territory then none of this matters to you, no matter where you live.

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Post by KaiserPro »

ryandrake wrote: post #309
KaiserPro wrote: post #216

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> IMO the ability for individual employees to negotiate for themselves is a positive? I keep hearing this, but FAANGs don't allow individual negotiations. You are banded, like you would be at a union. Also you're assuming that unions would be able to, or want to block the firing of bad performers. Since the bad performers would also hurt the bottom line, and therefore your pay. Unionisation might hurt the startup as…

Even Non-FAANGs have banded, bounded comp. I remember discussing a compensation increase at a smallish, medium sized company, and was given the usual "The book says the comp for your role is between $X and $Y, and you're at $Y." They even showed me The Book! Like, ok so you're just willing to lose me over this stupid book then? (Narrator: There were willing to) I dipped over to FAANG for a pretty nice increase. I gue…

> I guess FAANG uses a different book...

Pretty much, you can use level.fyi to work out what someone is being paid.

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Post by spacechild1 »

josh_carterPDX wrote: post #553
spacechild1 wrote: post #527

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> You just keep telling yourself, "I just do this one little thing." And that's enough to convince yourself that it's ok. This is how I would have imagined most of these people think (except for the true sociopaths who just don't care). > Saying that, I'm sure if more of them had options they'd jump in a heartbeat. Are you saying the people who have been working for Meta had no other options? That would be a ridiculo…

> Are you saying the people who have been working for Meta had no other options? That would be a ridiculous claim. The point is that there have been many, many options and yet they chose to interview for Meta and take the offer. Bold assumption.

You can't tell me that someone took an offer from Meta because it was their only option. This is just absurd.

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Post by ipsento606 »

deltoidmaximus wrote: post #514
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #477

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This is the reality for many low wage workers today. Amazon drivers are on strict schedules and are watched at all times. This isn't fantasy, this is reality. It just hasn't gotten up the chain to effect the average HN reader yet.

I was reminded of this sequence when one of my required trainings not only had a quiz but also a required minimum time limit. It wasn't enough knowing the material I needed to waste time on it as well. And then I remembered people in jobs that pay less than mine are already viciously harassed for not acting like identical automatons.

This is sometimes because a rule somewhere is written in the form “employees must do x minutes of training per year” or similar

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Post by vander_elst »

LucidLynx wrote: post #22

I have a serious question to anyone working at Meta and reading this: HOW can you still work at this company!? Why don't you quit this very toxic company, and start working at another place or even on your own? I genuinely don't understand... Let just Meta die!

The kind of issues that you might face if you have dependants could be something along the lines: well Timmy, we'll need to cut your leg instead of trying solution x that might save it, because I preferred not to accept a job that would have allowed to pay for that, due to the fact such a job didn't follow my ethical standards.

This is of course a very extreme and hopefully rare case, but I think that there's a large range of cases where unfortunately money does make a difference I a significant way. Additionally, I think that it also does make a huge difference if you are the only one affected by you decisions or someone else is.

I think when going for a decision for such a position, these and other points that consider the more practical implications might weight in.

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