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32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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If local models are good enough, doesn't that increase demand for DRAM as everyone buys DRAM for their poorly utilized local machines? Surely it is a more efficient use of DRAM to run inference on shared hardware with large batch sizes and more utilization.

Luckily very few people can configure and are interested in local models. But your nearby datacenter running Chinese open-weight models is also good enough.

My point is that dram demand is mostly orthogonal to whether everyone is using open weight models or secret weight models. Heavy demand for local models (whether secret or open weight) will require even more aggregate DRAM than for shared.

Demand will only go down if people reduce their use of these AI tools. Given how much folks here complain about quotas, I'm very skeptical that will happen willingly.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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And honestly, we will have much bigger problems if that bubble pops in a spectacular fashion.

Which problems would that be? Nasdaq crashing by a few percent and a major player to go under. Seems almost inevitable at some point.

And taking everyone's 401ks down with them because of the idiotic rules changes to accommodate SpaceX? Its going to be the largest transfer (theft) of wealth since 2008. AI is the only thing driving any kind of growth in the market at all now. That pops, its going to bring the entire economy down with it.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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I'm sure it doesn't help that people continue to buy things at this price. Steam Deck had a huge price increase (~40-50%) but it still sold out in 24 hours. All it would take is for everyone not to pull the trigger on buying things for a little bit and prices would fall but instead enough people are buying things at a crazy markup. If anything that's a signal to sell things at higher prices. Of course AI is amplifyin…

I believe Steam Deck is a major exception. Given how fast they sold out I also wonder how many Valve produced this batch. Most vendors of PC parts are seeing steep declines. Also after seeing 2-3 price increases in everything (Switch, Playstation, XBOX, etc.) people are likely getting it now because the prices aren't going down anytime soon and will probably just go up again for a couple of years.

I pulled the trigger on an early Ayn Thor because it was obvious this was going to happen. Something I didn't really want to fit into my budget but knew that if I didn't I would regret it later.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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They do, it’s called CXMT and they are making RAM under contract for Corsair

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick has warned Samsung and SK Hynix they could face 100% tariffs, framing it as a choice between paying a 100% tariff or building memory fabs in America... Punishing instead of supporting.

Do tariff threats still matter? After being struck down, I thought the only new tariffs which could happen would have to be enacted by Congress? Or world that be a fun game where the new illegal tariffs would be on the books until the courts invalidate them again?

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Take memory in house Apple (the talent is already there) its time again to kick another hardware supplier out and move on ala Intel, Nvidia, AMD, IBM, and Qualcomm outgoing in 2027-2028 if you want to continue to built devices and actually sell something to the public.

They would need their own FAB. Apple just designs, it doesn't really make anything, they sell devices where all the parts are manufactured by others.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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How much of is this is actually due to the AI hype cycle, and what's the impact of the global energy clusterfuck that is the Strait of Hormuz?

DRAM prices were in the stratosphere late last year, pre-dating the Iran war by 4+ months.

Yeah, the prices are actually down a few pp compared to record highs recorded before the war. The war might even exert some downward pressure. It increased the cost of living, thus reducing demand for comparative luxuries like new devices. Laptop and smartphone markets are contracting heavily right now, even for devices with stable prices enabled by long-term RAM procurement.

Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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This is the PCPartPicker chart that I monitor: https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/#ram.ddr5.5600.... - $900 for 2x32GB, used to be $200 a year ago.

Yesterday I did a price check on the PC I built two years ago. It went from $2300 to $3650. The bulk of that increase was that the ram went from $210 to $940. Its now more expensive than when DDR5 was new.

Those are rookie numbers

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Re: 32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Supply is both already constrained and AI companies have pre-purchased enough HBM at enough of a premium that most of the wafers are allocated to them. All the intermediaries are jacking up their prices so their inventory doesn't empty too quickly, because they may not be able to refill it. It is hard to overstate the damage that the infinite money being poured into AI is doing to the wider economy. Anything involved…

> It is hard to overstate the damage that the infinite money being poured into AI is doing to the wider economy. I get what you're saying but medium term this is an extremely funny sentiment. This money being poured is likely to end up being a huge boon for a lot of economic sectors, including in the US. Most commodity shortages like this end in a glut, with a medium term win for consumers, even if we have 1-2 (more)…

> This money being poured is likely to end up being a huge boon for a lot of economic sectors

The evidence coming out is saying otherwise.

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