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Meta workers can opt out of being tracked at work up to 30 min

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Post by fourside »

yodsanklai wrote: post #93
LucidLynx wrote: post #22

I have a serious question to anyone working at Meta and reading this: HOW can you still work at this company!? Why don't you quit this very toxic company, and start working at another place or even on your own? I genuinely don't understand... Let just Meta die!

There are tons of good reasons to work for Meta. You can work on interesting projects, build your resume and network, work on interesting engineering problems, learn from other people, and of course, they pay very well. People do need to support their family, secure their retirement and so on... Is it perfect? certainly not. Is the company toxic? where do you draw the line? how much are you willing to compromise give…

Growing up, I’d wonder how people could work for companies like cigarette manufacturers even after it became well known that their products wreck havoc on your health.

This comment is a masterclass in the type of mental gymnastics people do to justify working for these kind of companies.

> Is the company toxic? where do you draw the line?

You couldn’t even answer the question you yourself posed.

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Post by throw1234567891 »

prerok wrote: post #187
throw1234567891 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is allowed under certain circumstances.

I am pretty sure there would have to be a court order, i.e. a severe violation would have to have good ground to be suspected.

No court order. Just a suspicion against an individual, and a process to follow. Plus, you have to tell them. There is no mass surveillance without notice, correct.

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Post by 9rx »

MattDamonSpace wrote: post #177
sollewitt wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to unionize, across companies. We need to be able to block stuff like this, and to be able to demand that you can’t lay off someone to replace them with AI (bringing US workers rights up to the bar set by China). We also need to be able to hold our leadership to some kind of code of ethics. I don’t want to work for a company that makes kill bots, or can renege on climate pledges.

A heavily unionized tech industry over the last 30yrs would be an interesting counterfactual. IMO the ability for individual employees to negotiate for themselves is a positive? As is being able to get rid of bad performers Unionization would hurt the startup ecosystem, at least at the margins, no?

A union is merely a group of people who agree to work together for a shared benefit. That doesn't mean that there cannot be individual negotiation, nor does it mean you can't get rid of bad performers. There is no reason why it would need to hurt the startup ecosystem either.

If the tech workers wanted those things they could make it so, but they already could have made those things so already and didn't so...

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Post by mrhottakes »

taude wrote: post #79
p0w3n3d wrote: post #38

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Doesn't visiting hacker news count as personal growth? Or am I supposed to grow professionally outside the work?

You're 100% supposed to grow professionally outside of work.

Says who?

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Post by mrhottakes »

prmoustache wrote: post #163
crispyambulance wrote: post #20

It's always been hard to know the extent of how draconian tracking actually is (IT pros tend to not talk about it much). In the US, there's the expectation that when you use an employer-provided device that any and all activity on it can be fully monitored/recorded and used against the employee for any reason. In practice, however, few people worry about reasonable amounts web-surfing, being on hacker-news or doing l…

Why would you do that on the employer-provided device? I just use another laptop and my smartphone. I am even using headphones if I want to listen to something for privacy, no idea if my company would go as far as recording from my microphone but I am not willing to take the risk.

You bring a personal laptop to work with you?

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Post by KaiserPro »

MattDamonSpace wrote: post #177
sollewitt wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to unionize, across companies. We need to be able to block stuff like this, and to be able to demand that you can’t lay off someone to replace them with AI (bringing US workers rights up to the bar set by China). We also need to be able to hold our leadership to some kind of code of ethics. I don’t want to work for a company that makes kill bots, or can renege on climate pledges.

A heavily unionized tech industry over the last 30yrs would be an interesting counterfactual. IMO the ability for individual employees to negotiate for themselves is a positive? As is being able to get rid of bad performers Unionization would hurt the startup ecosystem, at least at the margins, no?

> IMO the ability for individual employees to negotiate for themselves is a positive?

I keep hearing this, but FAANGs don't allow individual negotiations. You are banded, like you would be at a union.

Also you're assuming that unions would be able to, or want to block the firing of bad performers. Since the bad performers would also hurt the bottom line, and therefore your pay.

Unionisation might hurt the startup as it would stop certain levels of exploitation (ie not being able to ask people to work for free in exchange for shares that will be worth nothing.)

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Post by dyauspitr »

everdrive wrote: post #17

I don't work for Meta, but how many more years do I need to work in tech? I'm in my 40s and my kids are young. I've already set up 529s for them, and am paying for some expensive home upgrades. Maybe when that is finished and I've built up a buffer I can switch industries for the last 5-10 years of my working life. Curious if anyone here has any similar plans.

I’ve been searching. I can’t find anything else that pays even remotely close to tech. It’s a sea of $40-60k jobs with a lot of work at the ground level.

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

eecc wrote: post #112
Forgeties79 wrote: post #92

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>Look, we want you to express yourself, okay? Now if you feel that the bare minimum is enough, then okay. But some people choose to wear more and we encourage that, okay? You do want to express yourself, don't you? (This is from Office Space for those who don’t know. Hilarious scene with Jennifer Aniston)

The Flair scene? Oh seriously than got me so much vicarious embarrassment, I feel uneasy just at the thought of it.

[Jennifer Anniston flips Mike Judge the bird, on-screen #inLove]

>>"How's THIS for expression?!? I'm sick and TIRED of this ... job!"

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I will never go above&beyond again – for any corporate entity – ever again. You can blame past corporate bullies, not yourselves.

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Post by MattDamonSpace »

9rx wrote: post #213
MattDamonSpace wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A heavily unionized tech industry over the last 30yrs would be an interesting counterfactual. IMO the ability for individual employees to negotiate for themselves is a positive? As is being able to get rid of bad performers Unionization would hurt the startup ecosystem, at least at the margins, no?

A union is merely a group of people who agree to work together for a shared benefit. That doesn't mean that there cannot be individual negotiation, nor does it mean you can't get rid of bad performers. There is no reason why it would need to hurt the startup ecosystem either. If the tech workers wanted those things they could make it so, but they already could have made those things so already and didn't so...

Isn’t Collective Bargaining a cornerstone of the Union pitch?

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Post by vanuatu »

yojo wrote: post #118
yodsanklai wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are tons of good reasons to work for Meta. You can work on interesting projects, build your resume and network, work on interesting engineering problems, learn from other people, and of course, they pay very well. People do need to support their family, secure their retirement and so on... Is it perfect? certainly not. Is the company toxic? where do you draw the line? how much are you willing to compromise give…

Meta is straight evil. It undermines the institutions of democracy and it negatively impacts its users mental health, all in service of selling your data to advertisers so they can better goad unnecessary consumption. If I learn you work at Meta, I will judge you as at best lacking a moral compass and treat you appropriately. Apple has problems, but is a lot closer to morally neutral. Ditto for Netflix. Amazon has ho…

not to defend zuck but its a common misconception that meta sells data

advertisers dont see the personal data they buy for ad placement

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