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Post by kouunji »

joe_mamba wrote: post #196
uejfiweun wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. Because I'd love to buy a BYD car and see this for myself, or try the Xiaomi car that MKBHD was so keen on. But because of the hostility I kind of get why there are bans.

>I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. In what way are they hostile? I am also part of "the west" and they never threatened us. The west != just the USA.

The hostility is a result of a long reading of history. If you think Chinese leadership has forgotten European colonialism, you are mistaken. If you want to understand how deeply the maximalist mindset runs in Chinese culture, look up what the name of the country - zhongguo - means. I love Chinese culture, and lived there, but make no mistake about how clear eyed their leadership is about competition with western hegemony.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

tw1984 wrote: post #263
Toutouxc wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Chinese EV too, an MG4 built by SAIC. It’s a really cheap car, significantly cheaper than its non-Chinese counterparts like the VW ID.3 or (roughly) a Hyundai Kona. The factory rust protection was maybe a bit on the lighter side, but everything else on it looks completely normal. The drivetrain is simple (no heat exchange mechanism between battery coolant and motor coolant, a slightly whiny motor), but also…

> VW ID.3 VW ID.3 is designed by a Chinese team in China, built in Shanghai backed entirely by the Chinese ecosystem. You need to be totally blind to consider vw being able to design & produce such a car on its own. let's be straight - the software in the car is not something Germany can build on its own. That 20 years gap won't be filled overnight.

> software in the car is not something Germany can build on its own

Chinese can't either. BYD is a joke. Zeekr is close, but still not quite there. Soon they'll be unstoppable tho.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by dzhiurgis »

yuye wrote: post #103
King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

>The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. While I think the "chinese quality bad" narrative still applies to many Chinese brands, this isn't as universal as it was in the past. I think my eyes were first opened when I bought myself a Huawei phone(before the Google ban). My first few smartphones had been Samsung, I've always felt the term "planned ob…

MG ZS EV and BYD Atto 3 have a lot of issues in NZ/AU, so it's not without a merit. I'm sure they improved with latest models tho.

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Post by Toutouxc »

tw1984 wrote: post #263
Toutouxc wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Chinese EV too, an MG4 built by SAIC. It’s a really cheap car, significantly cheaper than its non-Chinese counterparts like the VW ID.3 or (roughly) a Hyundai Kona. The factory rust protection was maybe a bit on the lighter side, but everything else on it looks completely normal. The drivetrain is simple (no heat exchange mechanism between battery coolant and motor coolant, a slightly whiny motor), but also…

> VW ID.3 VW ID.3 is designed by a Chinese team in China, built in Shanghai backed entirely by the Chinese ecosystem. You need to be totally blind to consider vw being able to design & produce such a car on its own. let's be straight - the software in the car is not something Germany can build on its own. That 20 years gap won't be filled overnight.

What the hell are you talking about? Why are you lying?

ID.3 is a MEB car, its production started in Zwickau (Germany) in November 2019, two years before it even arrived to China, and one year before the SOP of ANY MEB car (ID.4 was the first one) in Anting (Shanghai).

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Post by mosburger »

tiagod wrote: post #209
veza wrote: post #200

Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking…

Isn't the social credit system mostly a credit score, similar to the one implemented in the United States? As someone living in a European country without such a thing, I also find that one pretty dystopian. About the data sending, wasn't there a quite recent incident where an American car manufacturer was leaking the real-time position of all their clients' vehicles? Aren't US telecoms selling position data of their…

> wasn't there a quite recent incident where an American car manufacturer was leaking the real-time position of all their clients' vehicles?

You might be thinking about GM:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2025/01/...

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Post by redsocksfan45 »

Peanuts99 wrote: post #285
tw1984 wrote: post #272

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the key component of ASML is invented and manufactured by the US, that is how the US can force ASML not to export its EUV machine to China. it is an American tech. Airbus is not the result of high tech manufacturing, it is the result of setting up regulations to stop others to join the competition. The entire EU is not capable of building any 5th gen fighter jet on its own, that is the best proof that its aerospace i…

Considering decent portions of the F35 are built by BAE, Leonardo, Rolls-Royce and Martin-Baker - all of which are working on a 6th generation fighter which is due to be flight tested next year - this doesn't really ring true.

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Post by m3kw9 »

King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

You cannot just eye ball a part and say is "high quality"

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Post by ectospheno »

shrx wrote: post #154
dghlsakjg wrote: post #121

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Depends on the plastic, but even the most benign ones put out very minor amounts of fumes if YouTube testers are to be believed. Note that fumes in this case just means that they are seeing changes in AQI meters, which is something that can happen with too many people sitting in a room. If it’s something you worry about, the enclosed models frequently either come with, or can be fitted with a carbon filter, and if yo…

Do not print a key fob out of PLA. It will not survive summer car temperatures. A better choice is PETG, or ABS and ASA if you have an enclosed printer that can vent outside.

You leave your key in the car? And you don’t run the air conditioner when you are inside?

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by jillesvangurp »

BYD is indeed producing cars by the millions now. Any quality issues would be very apparent at this scale.

Also worth noting that they are very advanced in applying robotics and automation in their factories. Anyone assuming that this is all underpaid Chinese workers doing things manually would be mistaken. And that also means they are very good at maintaining the same level of quality through their production process. So, this is not surprising.

Also in general, the Chinese car market is insanely competitive right now. There's just very little room for manufacturers that deliver low quality products with lots of warranty issues.

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Post by radiorental »

everdrive wrote: post #283
gofastercloud wrote: post #107

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In the last few years Chinese manufacturing has reached a very high-level. The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is because they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills. While I reckon some other countries still have specialist manufacturing in key areas that surpasses China, most “common” parts can be…

>The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is I think most people just buy trash at WalMart and Amazon and it's 99% Chinese disposable junk. That doesn't mean that China is incapable of producing high quality goods, but just that the average interaction that people have with Chinese goods are low quality. It's the manufacturing equivalent of "How could the government be efficient? H…

While true, imho its more complicated than that

* PE, on the whole, has extracted wealth from quality. This is true at both the consumer level and B2B. E.g. its impossible to trust any aftermarket car part manufacturer, and some OEM brands have turned to dogshit too.

* "most people just buy trash at WalMart and Amazon" I'd rephrase that to: most people either can't or are unwilling to pay the premium for quality in an increasingly disposable world.

So, I'd say that similar to post war Japan, while Chinese manufacturing has an image problem, they're just producing what we asked for.

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