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Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by King-Aaron »

km3r wrote: post #198
joe_mamba wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I wish China didn't have such a hostile government to the West. In what way are they hostile? I am also part of "the west" and they never threatened us. The west != just the USA.

Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best, or are blocked completely at worst. And not just American but any outside company.

What their government does in regards to local industry is effectively what donald trump is attempting to do with the US economy. Except they do it well.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by youre-wrong3 »

gofastercloud wrote: post #107
King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

In the last few years Chinese manufacturing has reached a very high-level. The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is because they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills. While I reckon some other countries still have specialist manufacturing in key areas that surpasses China, most “common” parts can be…

BYD cars in China are not very good. But to export them they need to be higher quality to meet criteria. I would never buy one in China. Happily own one outside of China.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

> all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear.

“No wonder this circuit failed, it says made in Japan”

“What do you mean doc, all the best stuff is made in Japan”

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by dumb1224 »

epolanski wrote: post #175
roncesvalles wrote: post #167

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>they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills It's more complicated than this. Historically, Chinese manufacturing has been notorious for quietly undermining the quality of the product to improve their margins over time, in a way that the commissioning brand doesn't notice. If a Chinese manufacturer quotes you a price too good to be true, th…

People should realize China is huge and manufactures one third of world's goods. You're going to have excellence and crap across such a gargantuan amount of production and companies, a high amount of variance.

High amount variance of quality is a daily reality and as any chinese consumer we are very used to that since the beginning of e-commerce. However there are multiple aspects to the quality feel. Production of high quality items is one thing (e.g one can do better QA etc), what I heard from some local car garages in China is that standardisation in the industry is still quite poor. E.g Parts to replace and bolts and nuts are not as standardised say as the German counter parts (purely from a mechanics point of view).

Having said that a lot of German car suppliers are in China, and the German car manufacturing industry evolved over a significantly longer period of time.

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Post by pepperoni_pizza »

veza wrote: post #200

Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking…

It would be naive to think HN is not immune to influence operations. The people singing praises to China are not necessarily people.

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Post by bzzzt »

lostlogin wrote: post #173
hvb2 wrote: post #143

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Cars only show if they're well made after like a decade? These are not washing machines or something. Sadly that's also why it's hard to buy a new car, you only know what's a quality car years down the line. First impression matters though.

I’d be stoked if a washing machine lasted a decade.

I'd be disappointed if it didn't. My Bosch is running for about 13 years right now and just as well as when I bought it. Maybe it helps I'm in the EU and there's a law stating you have right of compensation if it dies within a decade...

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Post by xandrius »

pepperoni_pizza wrote: post #205
veza wrote: post #200

Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking…

It would be naive to think HN is not immune to influence operations. The people singing praises to China are not necessarily people.

Even more naive to think that the HN crowd is any more immune to propaganda than the non-HN folk.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by dumb1224 »

King-Aaron wrote: post #179
epolanski wrote: post #171

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"chinese X bad" is really ignorant. One in 6 people on the planet lives in China, it's a gargantuan country that is the world leader in manufacturing. You're going to have a high variance of quality output for the mere fact that the overall output is massive. People often equate low-value Chinese manufacturing that focuses on low cost with their manufacturing quality across all fields.

I feel that in the west we have been fed a version of China that doesn't necessarily reflect the true image of the country.

I don't think it's anyone (lay person)'s fault. As a chinese person moved to European in the early 2000s for the longest time I wouldn't touch a chinese product (although I'm very proud of the progress made in terms of industrialisation).

Things changed in 2012 when I bought a 'cheap-ish' Huawei phone, it was nothing of a flagship, no performance but it was really solid product. Very light and well built too. How ironic that was my first ever experience of buying a product exported to Europe.

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Post by tiagod »

veza wrote: post #200

Oh, I love the 2 sides of HN... Here everybody's ready to buy a BYD and even move to China, due to the sheer quality of the product (for the money) and the integrity of the people, totally forgetting about the 'social credit system' and the data that these cars might be sending or being exposed to having the car remotely disabled. Not to mention the repairability... Just a few days ago there was a popular post taking…

Isn't the social credit system mostly a credit score, similar to the one implemented in the United States? As someone living in a European country without such a thing, I also find that one pretty dystopian.

About the data sending, wasn't there a quite recent incident where an American car manufacturer was leaking the real-time position of all their clients' vehicles? Aren't US telecoms selling position data of their clients? Isn't the US filled with surveillance cameras managed by a private company keeping track of every car?

Do you base your last statement on anything, or is it just a hunch?

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Post by spacebanana7 »

hvb2 wrote: post #143
Toutouxc wrote: post #118

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I have a Chinese EV too, an MG4 built by SAIC. It’s a really cheap car, significantly cheaper than its non-Chinese counterparts like the VW ID.3 or (roughly) a Hyundai Kona. The factory rust protection was maybe a bit on the lighter side, but everything else on it looks completely normal. The drivetrain is simple (no heat exchange mechanism between battery coolant and motor coolant, a slightly whiny motor), but also…

Cars only show if they're well made after like a decade? These are not washing machines or something. Sadly that's also why it's hard to buy a new car, you only know what's a quality car years down the line. First impression matters though.

Cars can still show that they're poorly made pretty quickly.
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