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More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worked great for me. Big recommend. "Cured" is mostly an unspecifiable state, and while certainly there's lots still wrong with me, I am healed far beyond my expectations at the outset, so increment your count by one.

Cured would mean you are healed . No more therapeutics , no more abnormalities

the psyche is not the same as the body, the model of “disease”/treatment/cure is not the same and analogies are of limited utility

Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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> "more than 6 in 10 people declare they already use AI for mental health questions. 42% of them almost always follow the advice it gives them." If these numbers were "of people who regularly use GenAI chat tools" then I'd be surprised it was quite so high already, but not shocked and would find it completely believable. But this seems to be "of all people surveyed", which I'm rather skeptical of - unless their sampl…

This is almost certainly from an online panel survey of people who are paid to take surveys, which is a mini-industry in itself, people try to make a living taking as many as they can for a few cents. The people who fill these out are completely unrepresentative of the general population and quite a few are probably having their openclaw fill it out for them.

Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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I haven't done it yet due to privacy concerns, but I would totally do it with a private local model that's as intelligent as current frontier models and is not sycophantic and perhaps is finetuned on the psychology literature. My reasoning is that, if therapy is a well-understood science, then I trust a big finetuned LLM more than a run-of-the-mill human therapist. I will not be able to afford a Harvard trained psych…

The problem is that all the frontier models tend to be more sycophantic when confronted with emotional support issues.

I believe sycophancy is a side effect of RLHF and whatever reward function it explicitly and implicitly optimizes.

Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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Can you please not post AI-generated or AI-edited comments to HN? It's not allowed here - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079.

Of course, it's impossible to know for sure what was LLM processed, but your posts are getting classified that way and, on inspection, this does seem justified.

We tend to ban new accounts that post like this, but I don't want to ban you because https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48310559 sounds like you have interesting contributions to make ("I work with vehicle specification data daily."), which is great! Just please write any text that you post to HN by hand.

Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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I recently had to do a very hated, very tedious, very long, very boring task at work and I asked Claude to hype me up and give me a pep talk to conquer the task and it really did a great job. Then I got nervous if IT reads our prompts and felt very sheepish if they would be seeing my asking it that.

Heh. Sometimes when I'm stuck at work and feeling unmotivated/catch myself procrastinating, I'll write out my thoughts in my OneNote notebook that I take all work notes in. I do kinda cringe about the idea of IT reading those notes sometimes, but oh well, and it's helped a lot.

This is connecting to another commenter's idea that AI can be sort of a stand-in for journaling.

Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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If you have baseline epistemic hygiene there's nothing wrong with using an LLM for advice. If you have baseline epistemic hygeine you'd also recognized this as a B2B sales pitch: Axa sell group health, employee-assistance, and corporate wellbeing products.

Fancy way to say conformist ?

jeez

Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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> "more than 6 in 10 people declare they already use AI for mental health questions. 42% of them almost always follow the advice it gives them." If these numbers were "of people who regularly use GenAI chat tools" then I'd be surprised it was quite so high already, but not shocked and would find it completely believable. But this seems to be "of all people surveyed", which I'm rather skeptical of - unless their sampl…

Yes, this seems unusually and suspiciously high. Given that Axa is an insurance and investment company, may have some conflict of interest.

Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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I recently had to do a very hated, very tedious, very long, very boring task at work and I asked Claude to hype me up and give me a pep talk to conquer the task and it really did a great job. Then I got nervous if IT reads our prompts and felt very sheepish if they would be seeing my asking it that.

Heh. Sometimes when I'm stuck at work and feeling unmotivated/catch myself procrastinating, I'll write out my thoughts in my OneNote notebook that I take all work notes in. I do kinda cringe about the idea of IT reading those notes sometimes, but oh well, and it's helped a lot. This is connecting to another commenter's idea that AI can be sort of a stand-in for journaling.

fwiw I asked my friend in IT who worked on the Claude rollout if they routinely read out prompts and he said no, they watch category of use and can usage stats then have a few alert flags if it is asked specific things such as security breaches, explicit keywords or about violence but otherwise they don't read it.

Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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> "more than 6 in 10 people declare they already use AI for mental health questions. 42% of them almost always follow the advice it gives them." If these numbers were "of people who regularly use GenAI chat tools" then I'd be surprised it was quite so high already, but not shocked and would find it completely believable. But this seems to be "of all people surveyed", which I'm rather skeptical of - unless their sampl…

This is almost certainly from an online panel survey of people who are paid to take surveys, which is a mini-industry in itself, people try to make a living taking as many as they can for a few cents. The people who fill these out are completely unrepresentative of the general population and quite a few are probably having their openclaw fill it out for them.

That definitely fits with how I felt about the numbers they reported

Re: More than 6 out of 10 people turn to AI for psychological support

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If you have baseline epistemic hygiene there's nothing wrong with using an LLM for advice. If you have baseline epistemic hygeine you'd also recognized this as a B2B sales pitch: Axa sell group health, employee-assistance, and corporate wellbeing products.

I guess one can argue it's a novel form of (secular) divination, like tarot, except you have no idea what sort of intentions have shaped the AI during fine tuning, and by trusting it too much, you basically get puppeteered subtly by these companies.

Despite progress in natural sciences and tech, the answer to what's the good life is still up for judgment and values, it's not some neutral factual thing that simply falls out of AI training. Without fine tuning, supervised and RLHF, it could just as much role play a deranged psycho giving out life advice. To the extent that it isn't doing that, it's just adhering to whatever the company thought will land them in the least (legal and media) trouble. They had no way of actually tying it to life outcomes. It's more about what the user will like best in the moment. Which is a lot of affirmation and glazing. This is not unique to AI though, self help books can have the same failure mode especially when picked based on what feels nice to read.

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