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Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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post #348

Looking for your alternative? Let me give you some (non financially motivated) praise for Fastmail. It has everything Gmail has - even app passwords, hide my email, and ios integration. The only criticism is the calendar doesn’t autocomplete addresses so that’s a bit more typing than I would like. But everything you do in Fastmail is instant . They live up to the name! Once you try it and go back, you’ll be shocked -…

+1 When I migrated from Gmail to Fastmail years ago, I thought Fastmail felt... less featureful. When I rarely visit my abandoned Gmail, I can't believe I put up with the clunkiness. Lean software stands the test of time. Fastmail hasn't had a noteworthy UI change ever. Minor annoyances: - Clicking an iPhone notification opens the app, but never brings me to the actual email - It is difficult to unfold the full exten…

I use it with Spark on macOS and iOS (Spark Classic) and it just works. Archiving works fine, marking as spam actually moves and 'activates' Fastmail's training. There's email masks, aliases, the UI is always fast and responsive in the web view when I go there.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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post #348

Looking for your alternative? Let me give you some (non financially motivated) praise for Fastmail. It has everything Gmail has - even app passwords, hide my email, and ios integration. The only criticism is the calendar doesn’t autocomplete addresses so that’s a bit more typing than I would like. But everything you do in Fastmail is instant . They live up to the name! Once you try it and go back, you’ll be shocked -…

+1 When I migrated from Gmail to Fastmail years ago, I thought Fastmail felt... less featureful. When I rarely visit my abandoned Gmail, I can't believe I put up with the clunkiness. Lean software stands the test of time. Fastmail hasn't had a noteworthy UI change ever. Minor annoyances: - Clicking an iPhone notification opens the app, but never brings me to the actual email - It is difficult to unfold the full exten…

The only thing I miss from Gmail is a "send and archive" button to save me a click when replying to emails.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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Despite using Firefox, I keep chrome installed in case there is a website that requires it. I have recently started receiving Windows 11 notifications from Chrome, advertising their new AI features. This happens one two different devices. I haven't launch chrome on either of them for some time. It is maddening how much they are pushing this useless and inaccurate garbage on us.

you can solve the google problem: cd C: && find -type f | grep google | sudo xargs rm and also the win11 problem: format C:

Why run two commands when the following will remove both google and windows in one command?

cfdisk /dev/hda && mkfs.xfs /dev/hda1 && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/ && chroot /mnt/gentoo/ && env-update && . /etc/profile && emerge sync && cd /usr/portage && scripts/bootsrap.sh && emerge system && emerge vim && vi /etc/fstab && emerge gentoo-dev-sources && cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && make install modules_install && emerge gnome mozilla-firefox openoffice && emerge grub && cp /boot/grub/grub.conf.samp le /boot/grub/grub.conf && vi /boot/grub/grub.conf && grub && init 6

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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post #330

It's really bizarre at this point. I'm okay with things like having one-click options for simple replies like "That time works for me" (Google Messages on Android is hilariously bad at these but it's at least useful occasionally). I'm not okay with it suggesting a whole point-by-point response to someone else. Today I had an email from a colleague where it had a suggested reply so large it didn't fit in the preview b…

One could argue the “That time works for me” prompts are also a waste of time, especially when only occasionally useful. Do we really need a button to type 5 words on an occasional basis? I’ve used the button before, but I think my life would be exactly the same without it.

I have to wonder if they just give us the illusion of being useful.

Just had an email asking if I could meet "tomorrow at 5:00 PM, or would 6:30 work better?". The suggestions were "I will be there at 6", "Tonight works" or "Either time works", only one of which is even valid! Maybe for every time it saves me a few seconds, there's at least one where I have to read them all and realize none fit before writing what I would have done without the quick replies.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#396
post #58

Related to this, I hate how aggressively Google pushes Gemini and all of the privacy implications involved with that. 1) Lots of features got moved around and there are now many "Write with AI", "Generate image with AI", etc buttons polluting user interfaces even though I don't use them and don't want to use them. 2) Actually, I would use some of these features if I didn't have to do a full opt-in to Smart Features f…

That chat history dark pattern is the main reason I never use Gemini. Its a shame.

Which dark pattern is that?

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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post #151

I can appreciate LLMs for some use cases, but writing emails for the user is the one that really baffles me. It's one thing if you don't speak English well and could use some help making yourself understood, but the amount of native speakers using this is so strange to me. How does this help you? If you can write to the LLM telling it what kind of email to write, you might as well just write the email.

I think you might be suffering from a little bit of bias concerning your own comfort with written english with regard to the general population's comfort with written english.

I had a high school teacher (algebra II), my favorite coincidentally, who was actually functionally illiterate. He knew some words, and had a solid understanding of the alphabet, but ask him to parse a sentence or god forbid an essay, and he was completely lost.

He was a native born american, english as only language, and simply could not interact with the written language. If he could have written (in 2009) "give 20 question test for week 1 algebra II student with answer guide" he'd have gotten (based on the prompt I just submitted):

Week 1 — Algebra II: 20 Practice Questions

    Simplify: 3(x + 4) − 2(2x − 5).
    Solve for x: 5x − 7 = 2x + 11.
    Solve: 2(x − 3) = 3(x + 1).
    Solve and check: (x/4) + 5 = 11.
    Factor: x^2 + 5x + 6.
    Factor: 4x^2 − 9.
    Factor completely: x^2 − 6x + 9.
    Multiply and simplify: (2x − 3)(x + 4).
    Expand: (x + 2)^2.
    Solve quadratic by factoring: x^2 − x − 12 = 0.
    Use the quadratic formula to solve: x^2 + 4x + 1 = 0.
    Simplify: (3x^2y)(2xy^3).
    Simplify: (x^5)/(x^2).
    Solve for x: 2^(x+1) = 16.
    Evaluate: f(x) = 2x^2 − 3x + 1; find f(2).
    Write equation of a line in slope-intercept form with slope 3 and y-intercept −2.
    Find slope of the line through points (1, 4) and (5, −2).
    Solve the system by substitution: y = 2x + 1 and 3x − y = 4.
    Solve the system by elimination: 2x + 3y = 7 and 4x − 3y = 5.
    Simplify and write in simplest radical form: sqrt(50).
Answer Key

    3x + 12 − 4x + 10 = −x + 22
    5x − 2x = 11 + 7 → 3x = 18 → x = 6
    2x − 6 = 3x + 3 → −6 − 3 = x → x = −9
    x/4 = 6 → x = 24
    (x + 2)(x + 3)
    (2x − 3)(2x + 3)
    (x − 3)^2
    2x^2 + 8x − 3x − 12 = 2x^2 + 5x − 12
    x^2 + 4x + 4
    (x − 4)(x + 3) = 0 → x = 4 or x = −3
    x = [−4 ± sqrt(16 − 4)]/2 = [−4 ± sqrt(12)]/2 = [−4 ± 2√3]/2 = −2 ± √3
    6x^3y^4
    x^3 (assuming x ≠ 0)
    2^(x+1) = 16 = 2^4 → x + 1 = 4 → x = 3
    f(2) = 2(4) − 3(2) + 1 = 8 − 6 + 1 = 3
    y = 3x − 2
    slope = (−2 − 4)/(5 − 1) = (−6)/4 = −3/2
    Substitute y: 3x − (2x + 1) = 4 → 3x − 2x − 1 = 4 → x = 5 → y = 2(5)+1 = 11
    Add equations: (2x+3y)+(4x−3y)=7+5 → 6x = 12 → x = 2. Then 2(2)+3y=7 → 4+3y=7 → 3y=3 → y=1
    sqrt(50) = sqrt(25·2) = 5√2

I'm sure there are many more accesibility stories surrounding these fancy auto-completes.

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

#398
post #330

It's really bizarre at this point. I'm okay with things like having one-click options for simple replies like "That time works for me" (Google Messages on Android is hilariously bad at these but it's at least useful occasionally). I'm not okay with it suggesting a whole point-by-point response to someone else. Today I had an email from a colleague where it had a suggested reply so large it didn't fit in the preview b…

It’s not bizarre once you realize it raised some team’s engagement metrics (like # of emails sent) by 2%, a result they were unable to achieve otherwise, so they shipped it and celebrated a win

Re: Gmail thinks I'm stupid, so I left

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I can heartily recommend going into your Google settings and disabling the global "smart features" option. It removes a huge amount of crap all at once. For GMail, go to Settings -> General ( https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#settings/general ) and scroll down to "Smart features" and disable that. Then go to the next option, "Google Workspace smart features" and disable them across your entire workspace with 1 or 2 m…

I found the blog post a bit annoying because it was clearly trying to win internet points rather than actually solve a problem. What you wrote above would have resolved the issue in a couple of minutes, faster than moving over to another email provider. I found all the Gemini integration into consumer products super annoying as well and disabled/unpinned all of it months ago the day I noticed it and thought "wth is this annoying thing". Now, if/when Google removes the option to disable, this blog post would be much more impactful IMO.
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