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Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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post #41

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Can one really not imagine a case where the cheating machine being used by students is a bad thing for teachers? Does everything have to be "politically motivated"?

Yes the a priori most likely reason for the TU to be "against AI" is political. If you know much about TUs this is pretty obvious

That is a grotesque misuse of the phrase "a priori." What you mean is, "It's obvious to me." Ok, good for you.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

#52
post #10

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The idea that AI is somehow at fault for the absolute fiscal disaster the UC and the CSU systems find themselves in is laughable at best and damaging at worst. These systems (and I say this as a graduate of UCLA that was on a full academic scholarship) have been taken over by parasitic administrators and bureaucracies-on-top-of-bureaucracies that have milked not only the students, but also the taxpayers, completely d…

In real terms, tuition fees in public universities peaked in the early 2010s. They have not kept up with inflation since then. That explains a large part of the fiscal disaster.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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>California’s public universities spent $16.9 million on A.I. during a financial crisis, and the result has been chaos. So peanuts. The public universities budget in California is something like 60 billion. This isn't even a rounding error.

> spent $16.9 million on A.I. Sooooo... A few days of claude code "thinking", for a few hundred people?

I use it in the field and my usage isn't even $1000 yet. I think I might be just now getting there after 6 months.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

#54
post #46

Find me a university that bans AI usage on campus in CS courses. I don't mind if students have access to AI and use it to help study, but I want some kind of assurance that they are able to build things without using AI. As a hiring manager, I will immediately prioritize hiring graduates of that school. I can teach someone who knows how to code how to use Claude Code. I find the other way around quite difficult.

It’s not like we were building great quality products beforehand. Can we stop with the anti-AI sanctimony ? Some build great stuff, and some terrible, and software has predominantly been garbage for 15 years or more.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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post #9

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> Yeah, I work at a CSU and the Teacher's union is against AI. Is this a political coalition thing or is there a real teacher-related reason they don't like it?

Can one really not imagine a case where the cheating machine being used by students is a bad thing for teachers? Does everything have to be "politically motivated"?

Its also a teaching machine. There are several classes I had in college I would have killed for ChatGPT to cut through the terrible instruction.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

#56
post #46

Find me a university that bans AI usage on campus in CS courses. I don't mind if students have access to AI and use it to help study, but I want some kind of assurance that they are able to build things without using AI. As a hiring manager, I will immediately prioritize hiring graduates of that school. I can teach someone who knows how to code how to use Claude Code. I find the other way around quite difficult.

You could hire people who graduated prior to 2023~.

(not suggesting this is an effective or smart move).

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

#57
post #46

Find me a university that bans AI usage on campus in CS courses. I don't mind if students have access to AI and use it to help study, but I want some kind of assurance that they are able to build things without using AI. As a hiring manager, I will immediately prioritize hiring graduates of that school. I can teach someone who knows how to code how to use Claude Code. I find the other way around quite difficult.

What is your confidence level that potential base level candidates can write a bubble sort function? (and is that at all important to you?)

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Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

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> The university now has an A.I. librarian Isn't this one of the better uses of AI? Any librarian would have knowledge gaps and bias. Librarian-provided info is best-effort and not considered perfect. They're librarians, not subject matter experts. An AI could give (and cache, since books don't change) summaries of any book, and compare them, far better than a librarian except for niche areas a particular librarian m…

The need for physical libraries is fading anyway. I love books, and I spent many happy hours as a student (a long time ago) in the uni library, doing research the only way you could back then. But now ...? For STEM, at least, everything is digital. You don't need to go to the stacks to get an old journal article. And yes, it's sad, and it feels like an era is ending. But that's because it is.

Physical libraries still serve as a place students go to study. It's not about the books, it's having a designated quiet place along with meeting rooms and what not, in addition to computers and printers they can use.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

#59
post #46

Find me a university that bans AI usage on campus in CS courses. I don't mind if students have access to AI and use it to help study, but I want some kind of assurance that they are able to build things without using AI. As a hiring manager, I will immediately prioritize hiring graduates of that school. I can teach someone who knows how to code how to use Claude Code. I find the other way around quite difficult.

What is your confidence level that potential base level candidates can write a bubble sort function? (and is that at all important to you?)

I don't care if they can write bubble sort off the top of their head. I do care that when they were in class, they had to go through the exercise of implementing bubble sort in their algorithm, realizing that they had an off-by-one error, identifying the problem, and fixing it. School is like working out at the gym, and AI is like bringing a forklift to the squat rack.

Re: Different attitudes towards AI in California's university system

#60
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that AI is somehow at fault for the absolute fiscal disaster the UC and the CSU systems find themselves in is laughable at best and damaging at worst. These systems (and I say this as a graduate of UCLA that was on a full academic scholarship) have been taken over by parasitic administrators and bureaucracies-on-top-of-bureaucracies that have milked not only the students, but also the taxpayers, completely d…

In real terms, tuition fees in public universities peaked in the early 2010s. They have not kept up with inflation since then. That explains a large part of the fiscal disaster.

Can you source this? My cursory research shows the opposite[1]. Imo, the fiscal disaster is in part due to enrollment declining (which, ironically enough, mainly affects low-income households).

[1] https://myelearningworld.com/cost-of-college-vs-inflation/

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