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Re: MAI-Code-1-Flash

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Post by stingraycharles »

mdasen wrote: post #96
giancarlostoro wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The take away is that this model is a smaller model that competes with Haiku, I would hope they come out with a "Sonnet" competing model, then Opus. I have been wondering why Microsoft is kind of "sleeping" on offering models they themselves have made on Copilot, maybe it was part of their deal with OpenAI? Not sure.

Yes, it's a "smaller" (137B) model that competes with Haiku, but it's basically the performance of Qwen3.6-35B-A3B which is 75% smaller and 98% smaller in terms of active parameters (since it's a mixture of experts model). Microsoft should be comparing its model to good smaller models, not Haiku 4.5. Qwen-3.6-27b is closer to Claude Opus 4.7 than it is to Haiku 4.5 in a lot of benchmarks - and it's way smaller than M…

I understand what you’re saying, but I am generally very careful when comparing models and their benchmarks; benchmarks often don’t really match “real world” quality.

Re: MAI-Code-1-Flash

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Post by Computer0 »

I went to VSC specifically to avoid the pricing I started experiencing on Cursor. After this change I have no reason to stick with GH Copilot, I'd rather keep buying OR credits.

Re: MAI-Code-1-Flash

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Post by lanyard-textile »

foltik wrote: post #117
GaryBluto wrote: post #99

What's with the lack of Microsoft design language on the website? It's painfully obvious they're trying to emulate Anthropic's style here and it looks tacky.

Definitely vibed microslop, the giveaway is the broken header and scrolling on mobile.

The broken header is an incredible distraction. I can't believe this slipped through.

Re: MAI-Code-1-Flash

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Post by lambda »

bel8 wrote: post #82

It's a start and I welcome competition but I don't think I ever used small cloud models like Haiku 4.5. They are cute but for serious coding they tend to waste your expensive time. And this certainly wont bring me back to GitHub Copilot which I cancelled yesterday. GitHub Copilot had competitive pricing until yesterday when they changed from per-request to one of the most expensive per-token quotas. Seriously, take a…

Yeah, seems like this is in the range of Qwen 3.6, Gemma 4, Nemotron 3 Super, and the like. There are lot of models, including much smaller cheaper ones (like Qwen 3.6 35B-A3B), that are similarly competitive with Haiku. I can run these on my laptop, I don't need to rent them from Microsoft.

I suppose if you're reeling at the new Copilot bill but want to stay in their ecosystem, this gives you something to use, but for most folks, there's a plethora of better options.

Re: MAI-Code-1-Flash

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Post by [deleted] »

bel8 wrote: post #82

It's a start and I welcome competition but I don't think I ever used small cloud models like Haiku 4.5. They are cute but for serious coding they tend to waste your expensive time. And this certainly wont bring me back to GitHub Copilot which I cancelled yesterday. GitHub Copilot had competitive pricing until yesterday when they changed from per-request to one of the most expensive per-token quotas. Seriously, take a…

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Re: MAI-Code-1-Flash

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Post by swores »

stefan_ wrote: post #116
alkonaut wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won’t (presumably) all the market actors converge on similar pricing? If OpenAI stopped operating on subsidies and charge the true costs and their most token hungry customers are the ones that switch to Anthropic and others, then their pricing model switch will also be around the corner. Unless of course we’re thinking Copilot will be more expensive than others longer term. But is that a reasonable assumption?

Anthropic & co charge API users much more, not least to demolish the middlemen low-effort plays like Cursor and Copilot. To not own the model is not viable in 2026.

Sorry, what do you mean by "To not own the model is not viable in 2026."

I assume I'm misunderstanding you (likely my fault), because the way I read that is that you're saying nobody should currently be using models owned & hosted by companies like OpenAI and Antheopic, while clearly a huge number of people are using those in 2026 despite not owning them.

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