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Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by smohare »

pureliquidhw wrote: post #158
standardly wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is copied straight from an LLM. Do folks make no attempt at humanizing their LLM outputs? Is that even worth doing? I personally wish you guys would - the moment I realize I'm reading an LLM-generated comment, my interest immediately wanes and I stop reading.

Hate that I'm biting on this, but this isn't constructive, whereas AI generated or not, the comment above is. It is the top one, it is succinct, and it articulates the point clearly. You seem to lament AI and given the context of that comment, the author presumably does too. The world is moving faster and faster towards AI first so kicking an screaming "That's AI" will not help. AI generated noise sucks, nut this is…

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Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

stronglikedan wrote: post #165
f-serif wrote: post #113

Bangladesh is one of the best example of it. People usually don't want to follow traffic laws on road. Now that we have AI camera recording and AI fine system, people try their best to follow traffic laws. We are becoming Japan following traffic laws in certain areas. Police usually were scared to fine million dollars cars (because the car owner might be part of something higher power and they could lose their job).…

Yet it is inevitable that people that are "part of something higher power" will abuse this system for various reasons that have nothing to do with traffic. No thanks. Slippery slopes abound.

Maybe, maybe not. South Asia has a history of very weak government and I'm not sure it will ever, culturally, be able to stomach something stronger. From a Western perspective having experienced authoritarian states, it's understandable to be more hesitant but South Asia has just historically had very few rulers that rule through heavy-handed edict.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by jstummbillig »

saghm wrote: post #65
jstummbillig wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a strange thing to say. Why would they? Do you have their interest at heart? Do you have the average persons interest at heart? Again: Why would you? That's by definition not how interests work. And that is roughly fine (albeit a kinder universe would be nice).

Even if I have no one's best interest but my own at heart, I can't do anywhere close to as much damage to society at large as a trillion dollar corporation. Also, corporations aren't people, and it's silly to compare individuals to massive organizations.

That is not the point though? I am not saying that there are no issues with big corps and their interests. Theirs not being yours is just not one of them.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by [deleted] »

yogthos wrote: post #75

Funny how stuff like privacy and freedom of speech have always been touted as key differentiators of a liberal democracy. And now the mask is falling off because the interests of the ruling class are increasingly diverging from those of the working majority.

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Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by slumberlust »

downrightmike wrote: post #95
EastLondonCoder wrote: post #71

I think the really dangerous part here is not just “surveillance bad”. It is that AI removes the labour cost that used to limit surveillance. CCTV was already a problem, but someone still had to watch it, search it, interpret it, escalate it. AI changes that. It makes surveillance searchable, scalable and administratively useful. The shift is from “you may be observed” to “your behaviour can be continuously machine-i…

Ellison was among several prominent tech billionaires and executives whose names were mentioned in the multi-million-page tranches of documents made public by the Department of Justice.

Surely you will provide the context of those mentions for us to review? You won't just let us assume they are innocuous mentions like you intended. Right?

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Post by mrhottakes »

james_marks wrote: post #137
EastLondonCoder wrote: post #71

I think the really dangerous part here is not just “surveillance bad”. It is that AI removes the labour cost that used to limit surveillance. CCTV was already a problem, but someone still had to watch it, search it, interpret it, escalate it. AI changes that. It makes surveillance searchable, scalable and administratively useful. The shift is from “you may be observed” to “your behaviour can be continuously machine-i…

> this fetish for controlling people through coercion that seems so prevalent in certain new modern business contexts, like amazon warehouse workers and delivery employees. The only thing it creates is resentment. Is that how you want to build a company or society on. Resentment? "Resentment" is a bad-faith interpretation at what it creates. What it creates, and why you see so much of it, is a powerful mechanisms to…

And that automated value extraction creates high levels of resentment. It's not bad faith, just accurate.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by mrhottakes »

bananamogul wrote: post #159
yesbut wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Police bodycams should make police accountable. on an often under reported note, police body cams have led to an increase in police brutality as opposed to a reduction. https://prismreports.org/2024/07/16/complex-troubling-histor... excellent book on the topic: https://thenewpress.org/books/copaganda/

"In the U.S., the number of civilians whom police have killed annually has only increased each year since the widespread adoption of body camera equipment," That is a near textbook case of abusing statistics. Those things are completely independent variables. Perhaps "civilians" (as opposed to what, military?) killed by police increased because crime increased. Or population increased. Or laws changed. Or bullets cha…

It's important to keep in mind which bodycam vids make it to YouTube and which don't. You are seeing videos selected for a purpose.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by saghm »

jstummbillig wrote: post #173
saghm wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if I have no one's best interest but my own at heart, I can't do anywhere close to as much damage to society at large as a trillion dollar corporation. Also, corporations aren't people, and it's silly to compare individuals to massive organizations.

That is not the point though? I am not saying that there are no issues with big corps and their interests. Theirs not being yours is just not one of them.

"An entity with a larger pool of cash than many countries and mutual influence with the government, which everyone agrees should have our best interests" not having our best interest is definitely something I'd consider an interest.

Re: Larry Ellison: "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we’re recording"

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Post by sph »

hootz wrote: post #2

And of course, the best behavior will be the behavior that poses zero threat to the people in power. What a great future we have ahead of us, my colleagues.

Congrats to those among us building this dystopia. It's not Larry Ellison coding these systems.
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