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Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by gfaster »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #102

> Adafruit accessed only information that Flux’s own systems made publicly available through a server misconfiguration Does anyone have some more context about what happened here? An uncharitable analogy might be that I misconfigured my front door by not locking it, which doesn't give someone the right to walk in and look around - but I have no idea what Adafruit is specifically being accused of doing.

Whenever something like this comes up, I always think back to the excellent paper, "The Structure and Legal Interpretation of Computer Programs." I don't have a specific answer, but I like to review this paper whenever a question like this is posed.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4445484

Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by mjd »

throwa356262 wrote: post #4

Had no idea about this. Now I do. Thank you, lawyers. If you ever find yourself out of work use this as your reference to pivot to advertisement

Same, I'd never heard of this product or company before, and know I know how many people on HN say they tried it and said it didn't work!

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Post by rboyd »

antirez wrote: post #7

Note that this is not related to Black Forest Labs Flux, the image synthesis models builders, and is instead related to a PCB AI authoring product called Flux.ai.

also unrelated to a private repo I have in my github named flux

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Post by barnas2 »

luma wrote: post #8

Flux.ai offers a PCB design solution which is a clear interest for Adafruit. Anyone have any idea what this is about?

> Flux.ai offers a PCB design solution

"solution" is an interesting choice. I haven't talked to anyone who tried it and actually got anything useful. It completely failed when I tried using it.

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Post by moron4hire »

thenewnewguy wrote: post #163
moron4hire wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gambling addicts make all kinds of post-hoc rationalizations for why they are actually up, if you think about it. "Well, if you consider my entertainment, I'm actually up." "Well, if you think of all the drinks I got comped, I'm actually up." Even worse are the ones who talk about runs, "I was up $10,000 at one point." Nevermind they gave it all back and another $20k chasing that first $10k. At the end of the day, if…

> Same with most people "doing a startup" or "opening a restaurant". While I mostly agree with your sentiment, I think there is an important difference. Unless you are attempting advantage play (99.99% of gamblers are not, and casinos ban the few that are), there is literally nothing you can do at a casino to make it a positive EV activity. No amount of skill, drive, effort, or anything other than pure luck can consi…

I don't think it really matters all that much if the restaurant's success can be attributable to skill at a 2% or 4% rate or whatever. For all practical purposes, since you only get one or two shots at doing that kind of thing in a lifetime, your chances are practically 0. You don't have the infinite resources to make 5% all-or-nothing return work. Focusing on the math aspect is ignoring that people are not mathematical creatures. The math is not used to analyze, it's used to justify, to construct a story that folks then use to delude themselves into believing. I can be a great poker player. I can run tight margins to make a restaurant work. I can use cocaine and not get addicted. I'm special.

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Post by peteforde »

nubinetwork wrote: post #203
peteforde wrote: post #191

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Hey man, speak for yourself. It's never occurred to me to even try getting an LLM to design or layout a circuit for me. Instead, I have dozens or hundreds of chats in my history where I debate the merits of different parts for different tasks and scenarios, the nuances of decoupling strategies (package size vs deregulation), work out resistor network ratios from the reels I have on hand. Then being able to feed an LL…

Design, no... but I've definitely thought about letting one route traces... while autorouters work, I was hoping Claude could do matched traces better. At the time, it didn't want to generate the kicad pcbnew file though. /shrug

Everyone is different, but board layout is one area where I aggressively don't want any LLM input until such a time as it is as good at board layout as it is at refactoring code.

We're still a ways off from that, and that's likely because board layout requires a much more nuanced perspective of the enclosure shape, power requirements, heat dissipation, RF...

It's really not about placing ICs with caps nearby. I actually really enjoy that part anyhow. That's the fun part!

Re: Adafruit receives demand letter from Fenwick legal counsel on behalf of Flux.ai

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Post by mrgoldenbrown »

TZubiri wrote: post #83
Ekaros wrote: post #33

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They vibe coded their system and it showed Adafruit something? Or showed some information with trivial prodding? Sounds like your average cross-tenant leak. Maybe showing more than intended or some caching issue. Many options some not really not fault of Adafruit.

I don't know the details of the case, but what they worded there is a textbook unauthorized intrusion and a naïve teenager "the door was open" defense. Mind you there can be nuances, but that quote is like saying "I took their stuff, but it was poking out of their pocket."

Or it could be completely innocent like they asked for a list of all adafruit designs, and flux.ai sent back a list of all designs including some private ones, because their filtering is broken.

Or in your pocket analogy , flux dropped their wallet on the ground and walked away, adafruit picked it up and yelled "hey bro you dropped this"

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Post by DrewADesign »

Lerc wrote: post #101
DrewADesign wrote: post #97

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I am actually up all the drinks I got comped in Vegas. I sit down at the penny slots and bet one penny one row until I get offered a free drink. I tip the server $3, bet two more pennies for good measure, get up, and walk out with the drink in my hand. I just got like a $3.10 Manhattan for walking around the strip, including tip, courtesy of some business that was low-key trying to scam me and deserves to have less m…

The casino runs the probabilies on the customers too. You get the Manhattan because it, on average, gives them a return. They probably aren't making a loss on the $3.10 Manhatten either.

I worked in the bar business and know what a shot of rail bourbon costs with a volume discount, and the ten cents they get from the slot machine definitely does not cover it. I’m happy to give the server $3 for their effort.

They’re obviously doing it because it’s profitable. If they were being genuinely altruistic, I’d be much less likely to take advantage of it.

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Post by DrewADesign »

JackFr wrote: post #119
DrewADesign wrote: post #97

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I am actually up all the drinks I got comped in Vegas. I sit down at the penny slots and bet one penny one row until I get offered a free drink. I tip the server $3, bet two more pennies for good measure, get up, and walk out with the drink in my hand. I just got like a $3.10 Manhattan for walking around the strip, including tip, courtesy of some business that was low-key trying to scam me and deserves to have less m…

I not sure what crap casino you're going to, but there are no penny slots in Vegas. https://www.casino.org/news/vegas-myths-re-busted-the-end-of...

Last time I went was well pre-pandemic so it’s probably changed. Not going to Vegas is another way to not lose money in Vegas.

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Post by sleepybrett »

evntdrvn wrote: post #127
hamburglar wrote: post #95

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I work in Unity and I got frustrated with Claude constantly doing gross bash/grep/awk/sed/grep nested loops that took forever that I finally described (and had Claude implement and install) a tool that could, in a single pass, gather all this info from a Unity forest of scenes at once and answer all the questions Claude ever wanted to ask about a Unity project in a single pass that takes 50ms instead of 10 30 second…

if it helps, I've found that using context (Claude.md etc) is way less effective for this type of pattern compared to using PreToolHook to capture "bad patterns" and either transparently rewriting them to "do the right thing" if that is possible statically, or if not then rejecting the tool use with a message that tells the agent "how" to use the intended tooling itself.

and/or write a skill
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