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OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Re: OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Post by posted-just »

gobdovan wrote: post #88
kylemaxwell wrote: post #38

Every time somebody questions why you might "trust" AWS (or Azure or GCP or whatever), or why you'd pay this premium, I realize they are not accustomed to working in enterprise environments. In my case, I work at a large enterprise with strict data governance built into customer contracts, and (partly related, partly not) our own governance concerns. Using vendors where you not only have infosec permission, but they…

Have you considered checking the actual AWS contract and the limited liability they explicitly stipulate in contracts and even linked docs from marketing materials? If you read the fine print, you'll notice something funny. You are largely responsible for data loss, SLA claims require you to present concrete evidence, and the remediation you accepted is usually credits for future spend on specifically the same produc…

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Re: OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Post by calgoo »

gobdovan wrote: post #88
kylemaxwell wrote: post #38

Every time somebody questions why you might "trust" AWS (or Azure or GCP or whatever), or why you'd pay this premium, I realize they are not accustomed to working in enterprise environments. In my case, I work at a large enterprise with strict data governance built into customer contracts, and (partly related, partly not) our own governance concerns. Using vendors where you not only have infosec permission, but they…

Have you considered checking the actual AWS contract and the limited liability they explicitly stipulate in contracts and even linked docs from marketing materials? If you read the fine print, you'll notice something funny. You are largely responsible for data loss, SLA claims require you to present concrete evidence, and the remediation you accepted is usually credits for future spend on specifically the same produc…

Our corporate lawyers have all reviewed these things. And like others mentioned, the SLAs are not the concern, its related to data security and someone to blame if things go boom.

Re: OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Post by draw_down »

raincole wrote: post #62
kylemaxwell wrote: post #38

Every time somebody questions why you might "trust" AWS (or Azure or GCP or whatever), or why you'd pay this premium, I realize they are not accustomed to working in enterprise environments. In my case, I work at a large enterprise with strict data governance built into customer contracts, and (partly related, partly not) our own governance concerns. Using vendors where you not only have infosec permission, but they…

Or to put it simply, nobody ever got fired for buying IBM.

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Re: OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Post by kylemaxwell »

gobdovan wrote: post #88
kylemaxwell wrote: post #38

Every time somebody questions why you might "trust" AWS (or Azure or GCP or whatever), or why you'd pay this premium, I realize they are not accustomed to working in enterprise environments. In my case, I work at a large enterprise with strict data governance built into customer contracts, and (partly related, partly not) our own governance concerns. Using vendors where you not only have infosec permission, but they…

Have you considered checking the actual AWS contract and the limited liability they explicitly stipulate in contracts and even linked docs from marketing materials? If you read the fine print, you'll notice something funny. You are largely responsible for data loss, SLA claims require you to present concrete evidence, and the remediation you accepted is usually credits for future spend on specifically the same produc…

I mean, I'm not really senior management, just an EM trying to get through life under the rules somebody else made.

Also, this isn't about SLA at all.

Re: OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Post by notepad0x90 »

kylemaxwell wrote: post #38

Every time somebody questions why you might "trust" AWS (or Azure or GCP or whatever), or why you'd pay this premium, I realize they are not accustomed to working in enterprise environments. In my case, I work at a large enterprise with strict data governance built into customer contracts, and (partly related, partly not) our own governance concerns. Using vendors where you not only have infosec permission, but they…

Yeah, cloud agents come with nice things like being able to filter content, implement guardrails like preventing PII or prompt injection from taking place. even if they sucked, at least liability wise you're set. I don't know how someone could even come close to this capability by doing it on their own. If anyone does, please share what tools, platforms and projects you're using.

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Post by ok123456 »

gobdovan wrote: post #88
kylemaxwell wrote: post #38

Every time somebody questions why you might "trust" AWS (or Azure or GCP or whatever), or why you'd pay this premium, I realize they are not accustomed to working in enterprise environments. In my case, I work at a large enterprise with strict data governance built into customer contracts, and (partly related, partly not) our own governance concerns. Using vendors where you not only have infosec permission, but they…

Have you considered checking the actual AWS contract and the limited liability they explicitly stipulate in contracts and even linked docs from marketing materials? If you read the fine print, you'll notice something funny. You are largely responsible for data loss, SLA claims require you to present concrete evidence, and the remediation you accepted is usually credits for future spend on specifically the same produc…

They're motivated not by the actual loss, but the checkmark of having attestation for a compliance framework.

So the fact that Microsoft let remote hands-on-keyboards in the PRC fix problems on GCC-High Azure nodes used by DoD contractors doesn't matter, since they're too big to censure in any meaningful way without impacting tens of thousands of businesses that rely on them to get a letter that satisfies a compliance assessor.

Actually knowing what you're doing, or being able to critically assess the risks of using a specific provider, doesn't matter.

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Post by chopete3 »

retinaros wrote: post #90
notatoad wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their “junk bedrock equivalents” like opus?

I guess he meant nova models? Which are definitely not even on the same table than thsoe models so its irrelevant

Yes. The Nova models.

Re: OpenAI frontier models and Codex are now available on AWS

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Post by dragonwriter »

cubefox wrote: post #113
btown wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On top of this, there's a vast difference between "what do you mean that team spent $1000 on AI in their expense report, what did we get for that?" vs. "oh, the company-wide AWS bill went up by a few percent, let's look into that when we have time." The latter makes projects far more viable.

But note that this difference is the result of bad accounting.

Well, as framed its bad accounting.

OTOH, the other form is that instead of generic AI spend going up it is total spending for a particular AWS account within the umbrella of the firms AWS organization, so that the spending is attributed to a specific project whose use case, other costs, and (presumably) benefit and/or revenue can be considered.

Of course, if your AWS stuff is just one undifferentiated bucket, that’s a problem, but AFAICT AWS (like GCP) is much better set up for tracking use and costs by project than OpenAI (or Anthropic), because its an enterprise cloud provider where fitting into how large organizations track things at multiple levels is as much a core competency as any technical feature, whereas OpenAI and Anthropic are AI technology providers that are much less mature as enterprise vendors.

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