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Re: GitHub and the crime against software

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Post by ashishb »

mistydemeo wrote: post #51
ashishb wrote: post #27

Nginx was compelled to move to GitHub [1]. The fact that companies request you to star them on GitHub and the stars can be bought tells you that there is a value in these stars. [2] Now, some astute reader, who thinks the $1 trillion global advertisement market does not influence them, will also claim that they don't care about GitHub stars. Well, that's not how the world works. Fake stars can propel a good project t…

They didn't move primarily because of stars, they moved because they had been using Mercurial and most developers aren't familiar with it.

And why didn't they chose self-hosted for git then?

Re: GitHub and the crime against software

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Post by 000ooo000 »

keithnz wrote: post #45

All this hate directed at github feels odd, every time I look into people complaining, or moving their projects off, other than a few related to genuine bugs, many just seem ideological. This article, calling it a crime against software? ... It's just silly. The article itself is a crime against articles, barely readable, weird ass colors. It mostly seems a regurgitation of other peoples complaints and mostly overblo…

>it's still top dog in this space

That was a laughable idea before they had achieved an average of 1 outage per day. It has serious, terminal, product manager rot.

Re: GitHub and the crime against software

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Post by robinhood »

Internet has made it incredibly easy for people to simply complain about everything all the time. Negativity never helped humanity move forward - this post is a just a complain. The good thing? The author could actually contribute to Gitlab's code instead of writing what they should do instead because they are noobs and have no idea on to write performant code.

Secondly, I'm actually grateful for all these years where Github was amazing and helped the open source tremendously, my projects included. Github had ten amazing years. I'll be forever grateful for that. It still helps the OSS community, by the way, despite all its uptime challenges.

Thirdly, I agree, there are UX challenges that are barely justifiable, but on the uptime front, I sympathize with their teams to have to deal with the gazillion pull requests and comments made by AI agents and bots, which indeed impact performance tremendously.

Re: GitHub and the crime against software

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Post by tonymet »

efronlicht wrote: post #108
tonymet wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is helpful context, thank you for now sharing. So it sounds like you’re not a paying customer, and that your report & experiments were completed from a free customer account, right? If that’s not the case, it would be helpful context to add to your report. How can someone only use GitHub on behalf of their clients? Perhaps you mean it in the narrow sense of “I don’t have any private GitHub repos myself”, rather…

The same way that an employee might only use GitHub on behalf of their employer. It's not mysterious or complicated. If my client brings me in to help on a software project that's already hosted on GitHub, that's what I have to use. So I use GitHub pretty much every workday, because I want to get paid. This is part of the problem: GitHub remains the default despite the fact that it is no good. Hence me writing the ar…

ok thanks for explaining.

Re: GitHub and the crime against software

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Post by tobinfekkes »

9999gold wrote: post #76
tobinfekkes wrote: post #72

I use Github extensively for my personal company, but I also use Azure DevOps (and all git-related features) extensively for a client's project. I keep seeing the Github issues being attributed to their move to Azure backend for "scale". But we have no issues whatsoever with Azure Devops....ever. It's excellent. Seriously. Does anyone know why the experience between Github and DevOps is so different, if they're suppo…

I find Azure DevOps UI/UX very janky. Like, the work items sometimes are loaded in the frontend only and sometimes there is a refresh, then the URL in the browser is not the same of the work tree I am seeing; sometimes there is a lot of flicker/redirects to sign in. The wysiwyg editor sometimes preserve the color themes of the person who opened, it seems. The markdown editor is view or edit only. I probably faced mor…

I understand that there are UI/UX issues, and I mostly agree with all of your points. There are markdown issues, I get the redirects too, the copy/paste color scheme affects me when I paste from dark mode and then see my co-worker's screen in light mode.

I guess I was meaning less the user-facing stuff, and more the underlying architecture, the uptime, the general availability. Does the thing do what you expect it to do? Does it work? Is it on? Yes, for the most part it does what it says on the lid very well.

Re: GitHub and the crime against software

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Post by efronlicht »

robinhood wrote: post #114

Internet has made it incredibly easy for people to simply complain about everything all the time. Negativity never helped humanity move forward - this post is a just a complain. The good thing? The author could actually contribute to Gitlab's code instead of writing what they should do instead because they are noobs and have no idea on to write performant code. Secondly, I'm actually grateful for all these years wher…

1. Negativity moves humanity forward all the time. Have you read the American declaration of independence lately? It is mostly an enormous list of complaints about the British government. As citizens we have both the right and the duty to call out abuses when we see them. (The article's title is a reference to Charles Sumner's 1856 speech "The Crime against Kansas", a historic callout post if there ever was one).

2. I provide direct, actionable solutions. Saying I have to submit the PR is just moving the goalposts.

3. I have no idea if they know how to write performant code: all I know is that they don't.

4. The fact that GitHub was good for ten years and is now hot garbage is exactly my point. It should make you less tolerant of its decay, not more.

5. It is entirely within GitHub's power to rate limit the bots to protect their actual users. They choose not to do so, because they care about "ai" more than customers.

Re: GitHub and the crime against software

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Post by rdbl27 »

robinhood wrote: post #114

Internet has made it incredibly easy for people to simply complain about everything all the time. Negativity never helped humanity move forward - this post is a just a complain. The good thing? The author could actually contribute to Gitlab's code instead of writing what they should do instead because they are noobs and have no idea on to write performant code. Secondly, I'm actually grateful for all these years wher…

Isn't your whole post "just a complaint" too?
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