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macOS needs its grid back

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Re: macOS needs its grid back

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Post by davkan »

Mashimo wrote: post #127
davkan wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been using emacs for how many decades? Or vim and terminal? Linux DEs rarely change entirely without the ability to run old versions, with the notable exception being gnome 3 which is still divisive to this day in large part because of it. And even then it was still possible to keep your workflows with MATE, the continuation of gnome 2. Libre office just recently implemented the ribbon and you can still d…

KDE 4.0 has entered the chat. Jokes aside: yes, I can see how it's technically possible to never experience a workflow change. But also using the same tools at work, your kids school, family you help etc. I just find not very probable.

I think GP was more talking about having your main workflows changed out from underneath you not so much never having to interface with something outside it. I haven’t had the luxury of a non windows workplace but if I worked in a Linux shop I’d be matching my home workflows. I see plenty of anecdotes on here about users who haven’t worked outside of emacs in decades. Not a probable scenario though I’ll agree with that.

Re: macOS needs its grid back

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Post by eproxus »

coolmitch wrote: post #6
veidr wrote: post #2

This fixes a dozens-of-times-per-day annoyance for me. The grid is good, but even better is the instant virtual display switching. Nowhere is the death-by-a-thousand-paper-cuts annoyance of modern macOS worse than having to hit Ctrl→→→→→→→ and suffer those repeated animations, over and over.

yes! it's the worst! I've been using Instant Space Switcher (which got a small callout in tfa) as a targeted fix for this, and it's lifechanging

I've also switched to Instant Space Switcher, it is soo good! Previously I used BetterMouse for only this feature but they made the space switching worse in later versions (slower, on-par with the default macOS speed).

Here's the link if anyone is curious: https://github.com/jurplel/InstantSpaceSwitcher

Re: macOS needs its grid back

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Post by cmsj »

xp84 wrote: post #9

> If they approve, the settings open, then the user has to find the specific little toggle and enable it. Another security prompt then done. Why isn’t this at most 2 prompts? Answer: Because modern-day Apple has subscribed to a particular brand of mitigation for the "noobs will always click 'Allow' especially if you ask them to first" problem. The mitigation is that Apple just dumps you on step 2 of a little 4-5 step…

You can make the vast majority of them go away by rebooting into recovery mode, running Terminal and then executing:

csrutil disable

nvram boot-args="amfi_get_out_of_my_way=0x1"

I really wouldn't recommend doing either, but you do you.

Re: macOS needs its grid back

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Post by Moggie100 »

merlindru wrote: post #122
comboy wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a complete nerd, you'd think maybe I'd like that I can prove my skills like this, but it comes off as deeply disrespectful to me as the user that I can't disable this. You seem to have understood the problem. But then you didn't follow. If there was a way to disable this, first thing that the grandma would do is watch a video how to disable that and lose security from then on. Of course it is not perfect, but th…

Could make it disable-able only from the terminal in recovery mode. That one would be too hard / bothersome to fend off most cases I feel like

Never underestimate the ingenuity of a motivated fool.

My litmus test for this sort of thing is Excel - I think we all can agree that Excel is used for way more than it should be, and the most complicated, unhinged uses of it are done by non-technical folks looking to get a task done through desperation.

Re: macOS needs its grid back

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Post by harrisi »

xp84 wrote: post #9

> If they approve, the settings open, then the user has to find the specific little toggle and enable it. Another security prompt then done. Why isn’t this at most 2 prompts? Answer: Because modern-day Apple has subscribed to a particular brand of mitigation for the "noobs will always click 'Allow' especially if you ask them to first" problem. The mitigation is that Apple just dumps you on step 2 of a little 4-5 step…

Ironically, my first thought was using Automator or AutoHotKey (there's a different one for macOS I think? But you get the point) to just identify those dialogs and click yes/allow/whatever.

Even though a bunch of the responses are "well you don't want a keylogger" when the first solutions I can think of are also (potential) keyloggers. :)

Re: macOS needs its grid back

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

kritr wrote: post #53

I’ve been using a friend’s app switcher because cmd+tab was a bit too slow and not window oriented. But this has been pretty nice for me. https://mwitch.viraat.dev/ It’s also open source if you want to customize it for your own preferences (pinned apps, custom keybinds, etc)

> cmd+tab was a bit too slow

Using that app, if I cmd+tab from one space to another, will I see 0 (and I mean zero) animation whatsoever? The exact same behaviour as if I were switching between two apps on the same space? Because that's what I need to go anywhere near Spaces, and that's what seems impossible.

Re: macOS needs its grid back

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Post by KoolKat23 »

Moggie100 wrote: post #134
merlindru wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could make it disable-able only from the terminal in recovery mode. That one would be too hard / bothersome to fend off most cases I feel like

Never underestimate the ingenuity of a motivated fool. My litmus test for this sort of thing is Excel - I think we all can agree that Excel is used for way more than it should be, and the most complicated, unhinged uses of it are done by non-technical folks looking to get a task done through desperation.

At that point it's a them problem.

Re: macOS needs its grid back

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

drfloyd51 wrote: post #59
Analemma_ wrote: post #3

Oh man, thank you! I was just complaining the other day about the missing Spaces grid… when they first took it away in Lion I looked frantically for the setting to bring it back, with no such luck. Ironically, I think the reason they took it away was to help with fullscreen macOS apps, which are a garbage anti-feature it doesn’t seem like anybody uses. Long live the grid!

I want to use full screen apps. But they are not in the command-tab order. So… no good.

They are, but it's nuanced. If you have one app with a single window, it will always be selectable via Cmd+Tab, even if it's full-screened. If you have an app with multiple windows, one of which is full-screened, and you select a non-full-screened window from that same app, you won't be able to return to the full-screened window using Cmd+Tab. Which kinda makes sense, since Cmd+Tab cycles apps, not windows.

Re: macOS needs its grid back

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Post by rpastuszak »

ramathornn wrote: post #39

Magnet is easily one of the best mac apps i've ever purchased - makes window management so easy and it works great every time. Just Command + Shift and then you can pick any portion of the screen you want the window to go to. That paired with multiple desktops does the trick for me! Highly reccommend (not sure if it's okay to share URLs? sorry in case it's not): https://magnet.crowdcafe.com/

Is it different from Rectangle? (I've been using it for ages)
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