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Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by rockskon »

jpc0 wrote: post #105
drivebyhooting wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The relationship was established decades ago and they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face! And there’s no option for going in person.

> The relationship was established decades ago and they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. Having just gone through the annual KYC checks required by my bank/s I don't think this opinion stands universally. Can also confirm to open an account I need to provide a live selfie and verifiable government ID.

Asinine requirement by whatever risk management firm they use. A selfie provides nothing in terms of lasting security while simultaneously adding permanent risk.

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Post by rockskon »

ethmarks wrote: post #89
drivebyhooting wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The relationship was established decades ago and they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face! And there’s no option for going in person.

> they accept money and direct deposit still with no KYC. But to get the money out? Oh no! We need a picture of your face! Unauthorized deposits aren't nearly as much of a concern as unauthorized withdrawals, right? I'd imagine that there are far fewer malicious actors that try to deposit money into random bank accounts than there are ones that try to withdraw money from random bank accounts. > And there’s no option…

A bank's security camera feed isn't likely to be sold to dozens of companies.

It is all but guaranteed for Internet-based facial recognition services.

Hacked facial recognition data already is reportedly being used by scammers to not only bypass bank security but also to impersonate people to target their loved ones.

There is no lasting security gain by providing a selfie. There is a lasting security and privacy loss, however.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by rockskon »

iririririr wrote: post #70
IAmGraydon wrote: post #65

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You find it to be a negative that banks require identity verification to drain an account? Personally, I would refuse to keep my money with a bank that doesn’t do this.

most banks using faceid won't accept you go to a branch. because they contract with a provider who makes more money from building and selling a database than to fulfilling the contract with the banks.

Do you have proof of this? This comes off as conjecture.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by KellyCriterion »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #58
Cider9986 wrote: post #34

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You can't sign up for a Facebook account without giving a live selfie. Any image of your family you post will be scraped by Clearview AI, bypassing the restrictions that make it hard for you to create accounts, to create a worldwide facial recognition system.

It gets worse. Banks now require pictures of faces to fucking close the account and pull the money out.

ATM are taking a picture when withdrawing since decades :-)

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by hdgvhicv »

falkensmaize wrote: post #31

One very simple way to give parents control over what their children see and participate in without violating everyone else’s privacy is to create adult and social TLDs and require these sites to migrate to them. So instagram.com becomes instagram.social, etc. Then mandate that all consumer network equipment mfrs and internet providers provide easily accessible ways to block these TLDs. Maybe combine that with some p…

Just add as an SRV or TXT dns record. Give the power to the owner of the device to allow it or not.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by Animats »

throwawayk7h wrote: post #86
Animats wrote: post #5

So, to post something in 2027: - You have to have an approved browser. - It has to be installed on an approved platform, Google or Apple, for which you have a valid account. - You have to have an account on the posting platform. - You have to get past moderation on the posting platform. That's without age verification.

is remote attestation possible in a web browser already?

Mobile, yes. Not sure about desktop.

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Post by dd8601fn »

tmpz22 wrote: post #15
Animats wrote: post #5

So, to post something in 2027: - You have to have an approved browser. - It has to be installed on an approved platform, Google or Apple, for which you have a valid account. - You have to have an account on the posting platform. - You have to get past moderation on the posting platform. That's without age verification.

And your data on all those platforms - Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, etc. are ALL building comprehensive profiles on you, selling your data, and probably tossing it straight to the government in one way or another.

“In one way or another” is doing a huge amount of work in that sentence. The spectrum of privacy postures there is massive.

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Post by true_religion »

idle_zealot wrote: post #101
nodrog3000 wrote: post #95

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Forcing all OS to do this is a bit of overreach though no? If you want to keep your kids safe get an OS that supports it? Why is it the state’s responsibility?

It's the State's responsibility once something affects enough people. That's why a law like this makes sense but should exempt OSes under some number of users. It's not great that we have such a harsh divide between "do whatever you want so long as not too many people are bothered" and "alright now the people have spoken and it's a State/national law," but it's the system we have and better than the people only getti…

I think it only affects devices that are sold. So free software, you install yourself won’t meet that theshold.

Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by [deleted] »

falkensmaize wrote: post #31

One very simple way to give parents control over what their children see and participate in without violating everyone else’s privacy is to create adult and social TLDs and require these sites to migrate to them. So instagram.com becomes instagram.social, etc. Then mandate that all consumer network equipment mfrs and internet providers provide easily accessible ways to block these TLDs. Maybe combine that with some p…

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Re: Age verification for social media, the beginning of the end for a free internet?

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Post by tumult »

beej71 wrote: post #87
dredmorbius wrote: post #29

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And content is increasingly produced for, and by, machines. Human initiative and/or access is increasingly incidental. It's easy to create an alternative. The problem isn't that, it's keeping that alternative clanker-free. (As well as free of all the other enemies / plauges on the useful, generative, Internet.)

The trick is to stay small. If your network only has a few millions of people, nobody targets it.

Not true at all. Even small, insular, just-a-few-hundred users PHPBB-style forums have to run Cloudflare or Anubis to try to stem DDoS-style scraping, and have a constant patrol of moderators to stop AI spam posts.
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