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Re: macOS needs its grid back

#91
Questions for those who like the grid layout of virtual desktops - how does it (or should it?) interact with multi monitor setups? Feels like this would break or at least compromise the spatial metaphor.

- Each monitor has own grid?

- The VD 'spans' the pair of monitors?

- VDs only on one monitor?

- The monitors form a fixed 'window' into the grid?

- Something else?

Re: macOS needs its grid back

#92
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but they should offer a way for those of us who aren't clueless to turn whatever it is off. I'm not sure if it's what you're asking for, but you can disable SIP: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/disabling...

It's been a while since I dumped OSX and went back to Linux, but IIRC, this setting gets reset every time the system updates. At some point Apple realized the "power user" market was too small, and they were better off treating all of their users like idiots. And that's when I left.

I've had SIP disabled for years, across many updates.

Re: macOS needs its grid back

#94

Questions for those who like the grid layout of virtual desktops - how does it (or should it?) interact with multi monitor setups? Feels like this would break or at least compromise the spatial metaphor. - Each monitor has own grid? - The VD 'spans' the pair of monitors? - VDs only on one monitor? - The monitors form a fixed 'window' into the grid? - Something else?

I have a separate grid on each screen. Each with different grid sizes. I have a 3x3 grid on my main display a 2x2 grid on my display to the left and leave my laptop display with no grid constantly locked to my works video conference application.

It works well for me, but as you can see from the comments everyone is different :)

Re: macOS needs its grid back

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post #2

This fixes a dozens-of-times-per-day annoyance for me. The grid is good, but even better is the instant virtual display switching. Nowhere is the death-by-a-thousand-paper-cuts annoyance of modern macOS worse than having to hit Ctrl→→→→→→→ and suffer those repeated animations, over and over.

You can also do Ctrl-UpArrow then click the space you want. This isn't instant, but it might be a little better than repeatedly cycling through each desktop, especially if you have a lot of them. Turning off "Automatically rearrange Spaces based on most recent use" is also a must IMO.

Personally, I only open one app per desktop and just use Command-Tab. If you hold Command after Command-Tab, you can select an app with having to cycle through all of them.

Re: macOS needs its grid back

#97
post #90

Honestly, anyone who used and loved macOS in the past should really try a modern KDE Plasma desktop. It’s not the same, per se, but it’s just … mature. It’s mature because it’s a nice mix of « it’s old and boring » + they took inspiration from everything that worked on macOS and Windows and stole it. They never removed features for any bullshit marketing reasons. It’s not perfect : there are things that I like better…

Seriously, it's honestly pathetic at how little Microsoft and Apple have pushed UX in the past two decades.

Something like quickshell-overview feels so smooth and delicious compared to the painful use of virtual desktops on Windows/MacOS.

[0]: https://github.com/Shanu-Kumawat/quickshell-overview

Re: macOS needs its grid back

#98
post #29

> Two decades ago I had a better Mac desktop experience than I have today. Two decades ago was 2006. I have the same desktop experience today as I had two decades ago (Fvwm2) and have had the grid virtual desktop layout this author misses so much for the entire time via the Fvwm2 (and Fvwm before that) virtual desktops feature. One of the reasons I switched to Fvwm (I no longer remember when, but sometime in the mid…

Reading the article as a Linux user was almost infuriating. I can't imagine having my workflow, something I've refined for my needs over the years, taken away from me at the wish of a company. Before I switched to Plasma and Wayland I ran XFCE with the exact same config for maybe 15 years, unbothered by updates.

> I can't imagine having my workflow taken away from me

You never ever had a single software change its workflow?

Re: macOS needs its grid back

#99
post #41
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does that actually mean?

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonneville_Salt_Flats — the salt flats are extremely flat (as the name implies), and because of all the salt, no vegetation can survive. Look at the pictures: there are no trees, no grass, no hiding places at all. Anyone standing (or even lying prone) on the salt flats is visible to anyone else for miles around. GP was saying that systems should be "transparent enough that a compromi…

I don’t think the analogy was the issue. What does it mean for a system to be so transparent that it’s obvious when it’s compromised?
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