I sometimes try to get people to worry about the catastrophic state of American public finances by pointing out that the net national debt, including unfunded liabilities, is estimated to be $175T [0]. The government could appropriate all the equity from the top 3000 largest companies, and also the entire real estate market, and it still would not be able to pay its debt (RE market is $55T).
Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
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Re: Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is one of those "everyone who dies, breaths air" statements. It's frustrating people who parrot it think they're smart by saying it to others with no basis and finally when it does happen they're like SEE SEE!? > Until then, history teaches that we'll just keep going up and up And this is the more important part. As long as you're People have been saying the crash has been coming since 2022. If you believed this…
I was old enough to remember the 08 crash. Then the market starting recovering in 2011/2012 and the sentiment was that the system would crash again soon like 08. Turns out, it was an amazing time to invest. Post 08 crash, all sorts of conspiracy websites like Zero Hedge were popular saying how the world economy would keep crashing.
Edit: I should add the AI bubble can absolutely burst but there is no reason to believe these IPOs are the end of the ride. If I knew I would be…
Re: Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
#73> Firms in the broad Russell 3000 share index have a total market value of $79trn I sometimes try to get people to worry about the catastrophic state of American public finances by pointing out that the net national debt, including unfunded liabilities, is estimated to be $175T [0]. The government could appropriate all the equity from the top 3000 largest companies, and also the entire real estate market, and it stil…
Re: Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
#74> Firms in the broad Russell 3000 share index have a total market value of $79trn I sometimes try to get people to worry about the catastrophic state of American public finances by pointing out that the net national debt, including unfunded liabilities, is estimated to be $175T [0]. The government could appropriate all the equity from the top 3000 largest companies, and also the entire real estate market, and it stil…
Re: Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
#75Re: Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
#76> Firms in the broad Russell 3000 share index have a total market value of $79trn I sometimes try to get people to worry about the catastrophic state of American public finances by pointing out that the net national debt, including unfunded liabilities, is estimated to be $175T [0]. The government could appropriate all the equity from the top 3000 largest companies, and also the entire real estate market, and it stil…
The thing is that at these levels of debt, repayment is never the goal.
Re: Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is one of those "everyone who dies, breaths air" statements. It's frustrating people who parrot it think they're smart by saying it to others with no basis and finally when it does happen they're like SEE SEE!? > Until then, history teaches that we'll just keep going up and up And this is the more important part. As long as you're People have been saying the crash has been coming since 2022. If you believed this…
It doesn’t seem Berkshire is that much in the market right now.
Re: Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is that at these levels of debt, repayment is never the goal.
How can you use a word like “never” when this debt is literally unprecedented in the history of the world
"If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem."
Re: Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, the crash (that we all know is coming) will do that. Until then, history teaches that we'll just keep going up and up
I very much disagree that it's coming. I think we need to completely reset our expectations of how the market works. There's been nearly an entire generation working in this "new" bull market, where things like EPS mean absolutely nothing and speculation no longer requires actual returns.
You mean 0DTE babies?
Re: Can the stockmarket swallow Anthropic, SpaceX and OpenAI?
#80> Firms in the broad Russell 3000 share index have a total market value of $79trn I sometimes try to get people to worry about the catastrophic state of American public finances by pointing out that the net national debt, including unfunded liabilities, is estimated to be $175T [0]. The government could appropriate all the equity from the top 3000 largest companies, and also the entire real estate market, and it stil…
No sympathy for people and institutions who make deals with the devil and expect the government to forever enslave taxpayers to honour those deals and pay back with interest.