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Alphabet announces $80B equity capital raise to expand AI infra and compute

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Re: Alphabet announces $80B equity capital raise to expand AI infra and compute

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How is Alphabet suddenly short of capital?

I could have paid cash for my car, but that would have been a bad move. I wouldn’t have had any liquid assets left over for getting me through a rainy day. The interest I paid on the loan was an acceptable price for reducing my overall risk exposure.

Even if Alphabet has $80B sitting in the bank, they could quite reasonably arrive at a comparable decision.

Re: Alphabet announces $80B equity capital raise to expand AI infra and compute

#32

How is Alphabet suddenly short of capital?

Are we watching the same AI capex spending choices over the last 1-2 years? Every company from megacorps to small fish are spending well in excess of profits on these capex expansions. No ROI timelines yet established....

Google has a committed cloud compute backlog of $462b. That's their compute buildout for the next ~2.5 years completely financed.

Re: Alphabet announces $80B equity capital raise to expand AI infra and compute

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They know Google has a ton of data to train LLMs on. Recently I have been asking YouTube's new AI about some videos ("when is Steam metrics mentioned in the video?" for example), which means they also index videos. This is an unthinkable amount of data. I'm actually impressed at how bad Alphabet is with LLMs since they invented the thing as we know AND have all the data to train on, yet OpenAI and Anthropic are eatin…

I use anthropic's models daily, and sometimes switch to Gemini. Google is losing the marketing front BADLY, but their AI service is surprisingly great. It's far cheaper than anthropic for one. and for my kind of research it's just better.

who cares about marketing when you have distribution? Probably a smart move to pump dollars into the product and not the marketing.

Re: Alphabet announces $80B equity capital raise to expand AI infra and compute

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post #30

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Not only that, but the same webmasters who try to shoo AI crawlers away actively court Google's bots.

Really? Every business owner I know outside of HN wants to be discoverable by LLMs.

Being discoverable is one thing, having your content stolen wholesale is another

Re: Alphabet announces $80B equity capital raise to expand AI infra and compute

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They know Google has a ton of data to train LLMs on. Recently I have been asking YouTube's new AI about some videos ("when is Steam metrics mentioned in the video?" for example), which means they also index videos. This is an unthinkable amount of data. I'm actually impressed at how bad Alphabet is with LLMs since they invented the thing as we know AND have all the data to train on, yet OpenAI and Anthropic are eatin…

I use anthropic's models daily, and sometimes switch to Gemini. Google is losing the marketing front BADLY, but their AI service is surprisingly great. It's far cheaper than anthropic for one. and for my kind of research it's just better.

Is it? My mom and all her friends use "the intelligence". What is it? Gemini, because it's on their android phone.

Re: Alphabet announces $80B equity capital raise to expand AI infra and compute

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They know Google has a ton of data to train LLMs on. Recently I have been asking YouTube's new AI about some videos ("when is Steam metrics mentioned in the video?" for example), which means they also index videos. This is an unthinkable amount of data. I'm actually impressed at how bad Alphabet is with LLMs since they invented the thing as we know AND have all the data to train on, yet OpenAI and Anthropic are eatin…

I use anthropic's models daily, and sometimes switch to Gemini. Google is losing the marketing front BADLY, but their AI service is surprisingly great. It's far cheaper than anthropic for one. and for my kind of research it's just better.

I think Google is a bit sandbagging here knowing they have all the data and likely better models hiding. My theory is it's a bit of not disrupting the stock market direction by exposing whose really the boss. If they can do it cheaper, faster, and better, people start asking questions, especially with upcoming IPO's.

Re: Alphabet announces $80B equity capital raise to expand AI infra and compute

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> It is odd that they cite customer demand just after people leave Google for DuckDuckGo due to AI enshittification.

You’ll probably find this is extremely limited to whatever circle you find yourself in

Re: Alphabet announces $80B equity capital raise to expand AI infra and compute

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Well, I mean, you'd expect this move to mechanically push share prices down.

Why? There’s $80B of dilution from new shares issued, so to keep share prices constant market cap would have to increase by $80B. Simultaneously, there $80B in additional assets on the balance sheet, so if the company was previously correctly valued at $N market cap it would now be correctly valued at $N+$80B market cap, right? My intuition is that capital raises, just like stock buybacks, should be first-order (“mec…

Supply and demand of Google equity. The fundamental value of a share doesn't change, but you now need more investor capacity to hold the equity. So you need to sell to investors who weren't quite willing to pay the previous price.

It's not based on the fundamental value of the stock so maybe you wouldn't consider it "first order," but I think you can still call it "mechanical."

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