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Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by odkurzacz »

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #178
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #159

I think this is the first time an ARM windows device gets marketed for gaming. Would be interesting to see what kind of performance hit games have on the x86 to ARM translation layer.

Apple Silicon has a special mode that modified how the ARM chip handles memory transactions to be like x86. Does this nvidia ARM have the same? What would be interesting to me would be how quickly developers start targeting ARM64 directly.

For Apple use of Rosetta 2 was only temporary as they moved whole lineup to ARM. MS would not abandon x64 anytime soon. So I'm guessing they will try hard to convince developers to release for both architectures.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by t_mahmood »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #140
t_mahmood wrote: post #55

After nvidia's many years of neglecting Linux, paired with direct Microsoft's involvement? Are we going to trust them, to allow installing Linux in these easily? I don't think so. This most likely be a winmodem situation, again

DGX Spark has the same soc and ships with Ubuntu

Okay, but still it's highly skeptical trusting MS, and NVIDIA.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by Almondioco »

mingus88 wrote: post #147
tonoto wrote: post #139

What is this product anyway? Is it a general purpose CPU or is it specifically designed for MS Windows? Nvidia stepping back from the open source? "Introducing the NVIDIA RTX Spark™ Superchip. The fusion of NVIDIA AI and RTX graphics in a single chip redefines Windows PCs and delivers amazing creating, AI development, and gaming—on the slimmest, most beautiful RTX laptops ever and small, ultra-efficient desktops."

It’s nivdia attempting to compete with Apple’s M-series

Its nvidia attempt to gain additional market share and expected as well. If the whole ecosystem is around nvidia and its the easiest way of running stuff, Nvidia offering more enterprise infrastrcuture allows companies to just buy directly nvidia.

Nvidia is also very very rich and pushes the boundaries of stuff. They stoped waiting for industry standards. You can see this in there network stuff. All nvidia.

Next logical step (at least now, not something i thought about) was there CPU for their GPU racks/clusters/systems.

Now they have everything anyway, RTX Spark is just logical.

I don't think its specificly targeted at Apple at all.

Apple has like 10-15% market share and just because some IT nerds buy themselves a mac mini doesn't mean much.

Plenty of them actually just run openclaw without local models. Something which surprised me quite a lot.

But i have two 4090 at home. They consume a lot of power and i had to research the proper Mainboardmodel and had to mod one 4090 to use water cooling because they run too hot.

There Spark setup was at 3k, way to expensive for normal people. If they can get this down and sell more, great for their ecosystem (strengthening it) and getting more money from people.

It does surprise me though that they have enough capacity for this chip and not just putting everyting in Rubin but perhaps the build out has slowed down a little or they start to diverse already for economic savety

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by AlotOfReading »

dawnerd wrote: post #173
mingus88 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s nivdia attempting to compete with Apple’s M-series

All the news articles in my feed mentioned Nvidia reinventing personal computing which is laughable given the specs are worse than the m series. I’m guessing they saw how well Apple devices were selling and rushed to get something similar out so they can ride the hype train and have something to fall back on if ai DC spend slows down.

There's a lot of companies trying to support datacenter systems like GH and Rubin that don't have dev hardware remotely resembling it. M-series isn't a good option, speaking from the personal experience of currently using one for this exact purpose.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by giancarlostoro »

mingus88 wrote: post #147
tonoto wrote: post #139

What is this product anyway? Is it a general purpose CPU or is it specifically designed for MS Windows? Nvidia stepping back from the open source? "Introducing the NVIDIA RTX Spark™ Superchip. The fusion of NVIDIA AI and RTX graphics in a single chip redefines Windows PCs and delivers amazing creating, AI development, and gaming—on the slimmest, most beautiful RTX laptops ever and small, ultra-efficient desktops."

It’s nivdia attempting to compete with Apple’s M-series

Also sounds like they are ditching the discrete GPU altogether.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by nerdjon »

Some competition for Apple in this space and competition for Intel and AMD is great.

But I really do question how well Windows on Arm is really going to work out long term.

For Apple it worked because they were able to force the issue. If you wanted a new Mac it was going to be Arm and we all knew eventually (this year or is it next year?) Intel support would drop. Over time we have seen M series exclusive features.

Developers were forced to update or abandon Mac which gave users a great experience (with some early growing pains).

This is something that Windows will never be able too do. They will always be stuck maintaining an emulator and a likely large subset of apps only supporting one over the other. (also does this work the other way around with an Arm only app working on x86?)

This seems like a repeat of when it was not uncommon for games to only support Intel or AMD or NVIDIA or AMD. But worse since they are not both x86. Sure at least we have emulation but just like with Rosetta2 it shouldn't ever be the long term solution.

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