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A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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20 tokens per second for eval time is the killer here. It means you can't use this to process any meaningful amount of text. A GPU typically processes close to 1000 tokens/s during eval.

I'm pretty sure eval time is token generation time where it's actually outputting new tokens. If you're getting a thousand per second on that, I'd love to know on what.

I meant prompt eval time.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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this is sorta like saying that being able to run your blog on your laptop will completely implode the cloud business

This is actually what happens. I run my word processing software on my apple 2 (a total joke of a computer) instead of running it on the WANG. I run my book keeping software on visicalc instead of the IBM. I run my simulation software on my IBM PC (I even paid for the 8087!) instead of the VAX. Moore's law has, at least so far, allowed the pioneers with toy computers to grow their toys big enough to solve "big boy" p…

Under appreciated requirement for this to work in post-cloud times: open source

If a vendor can SaaS a solution, then enterprise is generally happy (they don't want to have to hire folks for maintenance), and that completely locks out any ability to run locally.

Between enterprise's ambivalence and the obvious financial incentive to vendors, you get SaaS-only products.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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> (purple on black is really hard to read) Noted, and agree (it looks like it has also already been clicked, which I dislike). I honestly I need to redo the themes. > You say it runs "at reading speed". Have you benchmarked it? At some point a few weeks ago, yes I think so, but I didn't write it down for some reason... so I'll have to find a time when it's not busy and do it again without a noisy system. Right now th…

20 tokens per second for eval time is the killer here. It means you can't use this to process any meaningful amount of text. A GPU typically processes close to 1000 tokens/s during eval.

The prompt is literally "why is the sky blue?" and consists of 7 tokens.

It's probably too small for the timings to be taken seriously.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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Well, lets get started. I have 4 of those machines, and they are Two dual processor. They all had 32GB of ram, so now I have two with 64GB, and two with zero. They all hand stock K5000s, now how two have two cards. I stripped the uni processors ram and video cards, and put those into the dual procs. They have 256Gb SSDs, and two 1TB disk drives. One machine has 8Gb of VRam across two cards. Dual processors are 8Cx2 and 32 Threads. They can easily play 16 videos at once. For AI, I have not found a model that I can get above 3 tokens a second. Not a one.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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We’re not there yet, but the obvious endgame of the present bubble insanity is open models running on local hardware and devices are “good enough” for most use cases. That will completely implode what’s going on at the moment in tech.

Gamers Nexus has a good video on this, but if NVIDIA exits the consumer market, and honestly why would they stay when they can charge up to a 100x for the same wafer space for enterprise, AMD would likely do the same. Only Apple really makes consumer hardware suitable for running things locally then, and maybe some weird Qualcomm ARM chip for Windows. It will be hard running things locally if nobody is supplying the hardware.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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We’re not there yet, but the obvious endgame of the present bubble insanity is open models running on local hardware and devices are “good enough” for most use cases. That will completely implode what’s going on at the moment in tech.

You just described the absolute nightmare scenario for the newly minted trillion-dollar companies whose only hope is for enterprises and SMB to move all their business processes to the cloud, with employees competing at token maxxing.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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It should be closer to 85W on load. And it's incredibly silent on even a low end cooler. I rarely get above 50° Celcius.

85W for the whole system?! The specifications for the CPU mention a TDP of 85W [1]. [1] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/92986/i...

But for LLM work the CPU is mostly idle, waiting for new data - so the CPU itself might not pull much power at all.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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I'm pretty sure eval time is token generation time where it's actually outputting new tokens. If you're getting a thousand per second on that, I'd love to know on what.

From the prompt timings above, it seems like 'prompt eval time' is the equivalent to 'processing time for input tokens'. Hyperscalers can perform this evaluation very quickly because evaluation can be significantly parallelized. The layer `i` output of token `j` only requires access to the layer `i-1` output of all previous tokens, so a parallel frontier develops. Token (0,0) [(token, layer)] is processed first, then…

Seven tokens long input isn't very realistic, is it? For coding tasks it's normal for the input to be thousands or 10s of thousands. If it wasn't for prefix caching it'd be one miserable experience, but even then at the very best the input is often in hundreds each time. And don't even try to dump some logs into the prompt.

Re: A 10 year old Xeon is all you need

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As someone doing this for fun on a windows 11 machine (96gb ram, 5090 24gb) I wonder if I need any flags to keep the model in memory and avoid swapping to ssd? I use LM studio and qwen3.5 35B - but never figured out if it is swapping or not. Om am unrelated note, does anyone know a model that can help with this use case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48301635

The article talks about using --mlock
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