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Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Post by steve1977 »

meindnoch wrote: post #8

I have a 2024 Bravia (K-77XR80) because I wanted an OLED TV with Android TV, to avoid yet another vendor spying on me (Google already does). I also hoped that a "premium" brand like Sony would offer a better UX than other brands. Well, I was wrong. Watching movies on OLED (or at least on this particular OLED) looks crap, because if you turn motion interpolation OFF, the image looks stuttery, apparently due to OLEDs u…

> If there was one thing to learn from Apple in the past 20 years, it's that a consistent UI framerate must be prioritized over everything (except maybe realtime audio).

Not upgraded to macOS 26 Tahoe yet?

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Post by meindnoch »

steve1977 wrote: post #31
meindnoch wrote: post #8

I have a 2024 Bravia (K-77XR80) because I wanted an OLED TV with Android TV, to avoid yet another vendor spying on me (Google already does). I also hoped that a "premium" brand like Sony would offer a better UX than other brands. Well, I was wrong. Watching movies on OLED (or at least on this particular OLED) looks crap, because if you turn motion interpolation OFF, the image looks stuttery, apparently due to OLEDs u…

> If there was one thing to learn from Apple in the past 20 years, it's that a consistent UI framerate must be prioritized over everything (except maybe realtime audio). Not upgraded to macOS 26 Tahoe yet?

Sonoma going strong here ;)

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#33

Post by klausa »

drcongo wrote: post #19
klausa wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not every TV is used by two people in a room devoid of lighting. Friends will come over, other things will be watched. Some people are very bothered when the ceiling lighting or sunlight from the window "alters" the image. > Enthusiasts are an interesting bunch. Some features loved by others are grave flaws for others. One can't make everyone happy, so matte screens are an acceptable compromise for it, AFAIK. You k…

Once the screen is 10ft away I doubt any human alive could perceive a sharpness difference from a nano texture.

I’d now be actually curious to do a Pepsi-style challenge to test this on myself.

I give myself a ~low 40% chance of being able to tell within a minute when watching a TV show/movie _without subtitles_, maybe 60%ish with subtitles, and maybe low 80% if I was playing a game with any amount of text rendered on the screen.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#34

Post by zamadatix »

klausa wrote: post #4

What's with the recent trend of putting matte coatings on the most "premium" devices? This TV does it, the Steam Deck's done it, and it almost always looks terrible (the nano-etching on recent MBPs is _fine_; but still makes the text noticeably fuzzier). The market for top-end TVs is the people who _really_ care about image quality, why would you jeopardize that with a coating that makes it _worse_? I'm fine with thi…

Because matte vs glossy is a separate discussion from cheap vs premium. The former is about marching the expected viewing conditions and the latter is about how advanced it tries to be about doing so. If you want the most optimal possible viewing experience you need to combine multiple aspects like that, not just buy a premium device.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Post by ale42 »

gbil wrote: post #3
ale42 wrote: post #2

On my PC, the site displays a weird "Your browser is not Javascript enable or you have turn it off. We recommend you to activate for better security reason" banner on the top... not sure if it's my ad blocker that messes up some CSS styles that makes this appear, but the message is weird in any case. EDIT: no, it's not the ad blocker. The tag is empty, and that string floats in the source near the tag.

I got a lot of ads related messages and I can tell you, this site works much better by actually disabling javascript!

In any case "We recommend you to activate [JS] for better security reason" sounds quite ridiculous...

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Post by lnenad »

bayindirh wrote: post #9
ptsneves wrote: post #6

As some commenters pointed out, this is basically slowly adding a real RGB led panel behind the LCD, or an OLED with extra steps. I could not see prices but I would expect this to be significantly cheaper, or maybe the refresh rate is much better than OLED.

The advantage is, it's cheaper, can provide better color accuracy, and won't burn in as bad as OLED since LEDs have much longer lifespan w.r.t. OLEDs. I still can't accept to use OLEDs in TVs and computer screens. Both has much higher duty cycles w.r.t. phones and tablets, and I hate burn-in.

Having had OLEDs for a while now and never experiencing burn in even in my monitor I believe this issue is either very overblown by the small amount of bad experiences and requires a large amount of misuse before it becomes a problem.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Post by medlazik »

Markoff wrote: post #30

You mean TCL owned "Sony" Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB' why go extra steps and not buy directly from TCL or LG (though they are shutting down soon as well and their system is crap comparable to Samsung's Tizen)

Bugatti? Why go extra steps and not buy directly from Volkswagen?

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#38

Post by crustaceansoup »

bayindirh wrote: post #9
ptsneves wrote: post #6

As some commenters pointed out, this is basically slowly adding a real RGB led panel behind the LCD, or an OLED with extra steps. I could not see prices but I would expect this to be significantly cheaper, or maybe the refresh rate is much better than OLED.

The advantage is, it's cheaper, can provide better color accuracy, and won't burn in as bad as OLED since LEDs have much longer lifespan w.r.t. OLEDs. I still can't accept to use OLEDs in TVs and computer screens. Both has much higher duty cycles w.r.t. phones and tablets, and I hate burn-in.

RTings has done multi-year burn-in tests and OLED TVs have an exceptional lifespan before burn-in these days, I honestly don't know what motivates this particular concern any more. You'll probably have the caps fail before you notice anything, maybe even multiple rounds if you recap it.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Post by zinekeller »

blackoil wrote: post #20

Are these "pure" Sony or from new JV with TCL?

This is their last hurrah where Sony is primarily in control (yes, the panels are from LG et al. and the main processor is a Mediatek, sheesh). The TCL JV will formally commence in FY 2027 (April 2027).

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Post by klausa »

zamadatix wrote: post #34
klausa wrote: post #4

What's with the recent trend of putting matte coatings on the most "premium" devices? This TV does it, the Steam Deck's done it, and it almost always looks terrible (the nano-etching on recent MBPs is _fine_; but still makes the text noticeably fuzzier). The market for top-end TVs is the people who _really_ care about image quality, why would you jeopardize that with a coating that makes it _worse_? I'm fine with thi…

Because matte vs glossy is a separate discussion from cheap vs premium. The former is about marching the expected viewing conditions and the latter is about how advanced it tries to be about doing so. If you want the most optimal possible viewing experience you need to combine multiple aspects like that, not just buy a premium device.

> Because matte vs glossy is a separate discussion from cheap vs premium.

My whole complaint is that it increasingly isn’t!

If I wanted a “premium” variant of Steam Deck, I had no choice to opt out of matte coating.

If I want the best TV panel possible from Sony, it only comes with the matte coating.

I’m fine with the option for matte being there for folks who like this! I just want to be able to opt-out of it, if I still want the “best” among other axes.

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