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ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

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Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

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> I wonder if prompt injection (and the thousands of vectors for hiding injection attempts) is actually un solvable. YES?! This is not a secret. ALL context/prompt is instructions, there is no data. It is just unsolvable, period. This is a fundamental architectural design concession; LLMs are this way as it enabled their training directly on materialscraped from the internet, rather than needing to spend trillions of…

> ALL context/prompt is instructions, there is no data. It is just unsolvable, period. That really isn't true. There's no law of physics preventing you from having separate data and instruction inputs to models. The model's transcript format generally distinguishes between prompts and instructions and tool output and such. This isn't a solved problem, and it's possible it's entire unsolvable, but it probably is possi…

A lot of the solutions in the CPU space involve things like memory allocation flags, NX bits, canaries, etc. that fire deterministically. Those things are fundamentally not applicable to LLMs, and without those things modern software would be in a vastly worse place.

You could imagine that there are things to change around LLM architecture that will improve its ability to reject prompt "injection", but I think it's fundamentally true that from an information theory perspective there's no bright line between "instruction" and "input data" possible.

Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

#92
post #77

Hi, I’m Max from the OpenAI security team. We appreciate the security research here, and it’s unfortunate this one slipped through a crack in our disclosure pipeline. As we’re now aware of this report, we’ve taken immediate steps to protect users against potential attacks in this area by removing the model’s ability to generate Apps Script code, which should eliminate the risk to users of ChatGPT for Google Sheets. W…

When I reported to you, I received zero reaction. The security@ is a joke, you'll receive an AI word soup. Enjoy your Ferrari though

Or Honda Civic. Some folks like soft luxury. :)

I mean Warren Buffet eats at McDonalds every day!

Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

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Create an anonymized/obfuscated copy of your data and let the agents use that?

That's already sounding like more work than what we would be trying to automate

It sounded like there would be a big value unlock. Depends on your circumstances of course.

Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

#94
post #77

Hi, I’m Max from the OpenAI security team. We appreciate the security research here, and it’s unfortunate this one slipped through a crack in our disclosure pipeline. As we’re now aware of this report, we’ve taken immediate steps to protect users against potential attacks in this area by removing the model’s ability to generate Apps Script code, which should eliminate the risk to users of ChatGPT for Google Sheets. W…

When I reported to you, I received zero reaction. The security@ is a joke, you'll receive an AI word soup. Enjoy your Ferrari though

I do imagine they get an insane amount of reports, i guess they haven’t figured out how to filter through them all

Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

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LLMs can live in the cloud, but all tools need to be (1) local, and (2) containerized. It's clear to me that just willy-nilly "running stuff" is going to blow things up eventually. Maybe folks don't know this, but even Codex installs random binaries on your PC. "Read this PDF" installs a pdf reader executable . Is it vetted? Where's it from? Is it a virus? Who knows, who cares. Model goes brrrr. I'm working on a proj…

> I'm flabbergasted that Anthropic and OpenAI aren't more worried about these attack vectors. It feels like amateur hour I share your concern but it's not a correct characterisation to say they are not taking it seriously: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/how-we-contain-claude My concern is people aren't even addressing this at the right level. People are currently thinking at the level of "how do I build a VM t…

Anthropic, as much as I think they are the soundest of the AI labs out there, still has a massive incentive to push things out that aren't saftey-vetted to the level we expect. They are very willing to "move fast and leave holes", to paraphrase M.Z. Hell, they leaked their own source code!

Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

#96

Hi, I’m Max from the OpenAI security team. We appreciate the security research here, and it’s unfortunate this one slipped through a crack in our disclosure pipeline. As we’re now aware of this report, we’ve taken immediate steps to protect users against potential attacks in this area by removing the model’s ability to generate Apps Script code, which should eliminate the risk to users of ChatGPT for Google Sheets. W…

Is the disclosure pipeline monitored by chatgpt?

Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

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post #94
post #77

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When I reported to you, I received zero reaction. The security@ is a joke, you'll receive an AI word soup. Enjoy your Ferrari though

I do imagine they get an insane amount of reports, i guess they haven’t figured out how to filter through them all

If only the had access to some system that could read and interpret text.

Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

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That's already sounding like more work than what we would be trying to automate

It sounded like there would be a big value unlock. Depends on your circumstances of course.

The big manual task we haven't automated is going through documents and determining "is this sensitive enough to warrant information controls?" We may just be stuck with that in the way of things.

Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

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post #94
post #77

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When I reported to you, I received zero reaction. The security@ is a joke, you'll receive an AI word soup. Enjoy your Ferrari though

I do imagine they get an insane amount of reports, i guess they haven’t figured out how to filter through them all

Who cares if they have problems from a situation they created

Re: ChatGPT for Google Sheets exfiltrates workbooks

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It sounded like there would be a big value unlock. Depends on your circumstances of course.

The big manual task we haven't automated is going through documents and determining "is this sensitive enough to warrant information controls?" We may just be stuck with that in the way of things.

How would you expect an LLM to produce reasonable decisions on that anyway?
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