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Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

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Post by bayindirh »

meindnoch wrote: post #8

I have a 2024 Bravia (K-77XR80) because I wanted an OLED TV with Android TV, to avoid yet another vendor spying on me (Google already does). I also hoped that a "premium" brand like Sony would offer a better UX than other brands. Well, I was wrong. Watching movies on OLED (or at least on this particular OLED) looks crap, because if you turn motion interpolation OFF, the image looks stuttery, apparently due to OLEDs u…

Interesting issue on the UI lag. My 2022 4K Sony has no lag whatsoever.

Vision persistence with high intensity light is an interesting phenomenon. This is why people still love CRTs, too. OLEDs do not create that much of a light by themselves, so no persistence of vision is present.

Also, why an audible click is so bothering? I can't fathom that part, sorry. Nitpicking much? BTW, I'd rather have a proper relay in my devices rather than a high-power MOSFET which can short and has a shorter lifespan.

Your comment reminds me a couple of blog posts. One person wrote a 2500 word essay on something they hated so much. Then the thing got tuned or serviced or something, then they wrote 3000 word essay on how they love it. The kicker? The feature they hated most in the first was the feature they loved the most in the second one.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#12

Post by thom »

izacus wrote: post #10
klausa wrote: post #4

What's with the recent trend of putting matte coatings on the most "premium" devices? This TV does it, the Steam Deck's done it, and it almost always looks terrible (the nano-etching on recent MBPs is _fine_; but still makes the text noticeably fuzzier). The market for top-end TVs is the people who _really_ care about image quality, why would you jeopardize that with a coating that makes it _worse_? I'm fine with thi…

I explicitly bought a high-end matte TV (Samsungs S95D) because of the coating - I like having light in my living room which means a lot of reflections from windows and other lights. Matte coating pretty much solved all my issues with glare and reflections and I don't have to sit in darkness while watching things anymore, it's great. The tradeoffs are negligible and appear in situations where other TVs would be unwat…

Yeah we have one of these in our kitchen diner and it's excellent.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#13

Post by meindnoch »

bayindirh wrote: post #11
meindnoch wrote: post #8

I have a 2024 Bravia (K-77XR80) because I wanted an OLED TV with Android TV, to avoid yet another vendor spying on me (Google already does). I also hoped that a "premium" brand like Sony would offer a better UX than other brands. Well, I was wrong. Watching movies on OLED (or at least on this particular OLED) looks crap, because if you turn motion interpolation OFF, the image looks stuttery, apparently due to OLEDs u…

Interesting issue on the UI lag. My 2022 4K Sony has no lag whatsoever. Vision persistence with high intensity light is an interesting phenomenon. This is why people still love CRTs, too. OLEDs do not create that much of a light by themselves, so no persistence of vision is present. Also, why an audible click is so bothering? I can't fathom that part, sorry. Nitpicking much? BTW, I'd rather have a proper relay in my…

>Interesting issue on the UI lag. My 2022 4K Sony has no lag whatsoever.

Is it running Android TV?

>Also, why an audible click is so bothering? I can't fathom that part, sorry. Nitpicking much?

I would have expected a device that people put in their bedrooms to be silent. Or at least have an option in the settings to produce loud clicks at a different hour instead of 3am?

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#14

Post by klausa »

izacus wrote: post #10
klausa wrote: post #4

What's with the recent trend of putting matte coatings on the most "premium" devices? This TV does it, the Steam Deck's done it, and it almost always looks terrible (the nano-etching on recent MBPs is _fine_; but still makes the text noticeably fuzzier). The market for top-end TVs is the people who _really_ care about image quality, why would you jeopardize that with a coating that makes it _worse_? I'm fine with thi…

I explicitly bought a high-end matte TV (Samsungs S95D) because of the coating - I like having light in my living room which means a lot of reflections from windows and other lights. Matte coating pretty much solved all my issues with glare and reflections and I don't have to sit in darkness while watching things anymore, it's great. The tradeoffs are negligible and appear in situations where other TVs would be unwat…

Is it fully matte, like on a desktop monitor, or is it some "reflection reduction" semi-gloss/semi-matter whatever magical coating?

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#15

Post by bayindirh »

meindnoch wrote: post #13
bayindirh wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting issue on the UI lag. My 2022 4K Sony has no lag whatsoever. Vision persistence with high intensity light is an interesting phenomenon. This is why people still love CRTs, too. OLEDs do not create that much of a light by themselves, so no persistence of vision is present. Also, why an audible click is so bothering? I can't fathom that part, sorry. Nitpicking much? BTW, I'd rather have a proper relay in my…

>Interesting issue on the UI lag. My 2022 4K Sony has no lag whatsoever. Is it running Android TV? >Also, why an audible click is so bothering? I can't fathom that part, sorry. Nitpicking much? I would have expected a device that people put in their bedrooms to be silent. Or at least have an option in the settings to produce loud clicks at a different hour instead of 3am?

Yes, it's running Android TV. It also had some major updates along the way, and is still getting updates.

Personally I don't have such an expectation from my devices. Configurability would be nice, I agree, but no, I don't expect everything to be "solid state" in 2026.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#16

Post by klausa »

bayindirh wrote: post #7
klausa wrote: post #4

What's with the recent trend of putting matte coatings on the most "premium" devices? This TV does it, the Steam Deck's done it, and it almost always looks terrible (the nano-etching on recent MBPs is _fine_; but still makes the text noticeably fuzzier). The market for top-end TVs is the people who _really_ care about image quality, why would you jeopardize that with a coating that makes it _worse_? I'm fine with thi…

Two reasons: Wider viewing angles and light reflection rejection. Not every TV is used by two people in a room devoid of lighting. Friends will come over, other things will be watched. Some people are very bothered when the ceiling lighting or sunlight from the window "alters" the image. Enthusiasts are an interesting bunch. Some features loved by others are grave flaws for others. One can't make everyone happy, so m…

> Not every TV is used by two people in a room devoid of lighting. Friends will come over, other things will be watched. Some people are very bothered when the ceiling lighting or sunlight from the window "alters" the image.

> Enthusiasts are an interesting bunch. Some features loved by others are grave flaws for others. One can't make everyone happy, so matte screens are an acceptable compromise for it, AFAIK.

You know what, fair enough. I don't mind these; but I do _hate_ the blurriness that the matte coatings introduce.

Now, I wouldn't call my wife a TV tech enthusiast, but I do know that she's bothered by the reflections occasionally when I don't mind, and I know with her eyesight she straight up physically cannot notice the extra blurriness that the coatings bring.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#17

Post by kawsper »

klausa wrote: post #4

What's with the recent trend of putting matte coatings on the most "premium" devices? This TV does it, the Steam Deck's done it, and it almost always looks terrible (the nano-etching on recent MBPs is _fine_; but still makes the text noticeably fuzzier). The market for top-end TVs is the people who _really_ care about image quality, why would you jeopardize that with a coating that makes it _worse_? I'm fine with thi…

I just don’t want to be reminded how I look like while using these devices, it’s really distracting to me.

If I wanted to know what I look like, I use a mirror.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#18

Post by jeppester »

meindnoch wrote: post #8

I have a 2024 Bravia (K-77XR80) because I wanted an OLED TV with Android TV, to avoid yet another vendor spying on me (Google already does). I also hoped that a "premium" brand like Sony would offer a better UX than other brands. Well, I was wrong. Watching movies on OLED (or at least on this particular OLED) looks crap, because if you turn motion interpolation OFF, the image looks stuttery, apparently due to OLEDs u…

> Watching movies on OLED (or at least on this particular OLED) looks crap, because if you turn motion interpolation OFF, the image looks stuttery, apparently due to OLEDs ultra-low response time, which produces zero fading between adjacent frames. (By the way, why didn't this happen with 35mm movie projectors? They couldn't blend adjacent frames either, because they are just shining light through individual pictures on a sheet of celluloid, yet I don't remember seeing this kind of stutter in movie theatres back in the day!) And turning motion interpolation up a notch already produces the well-known soap opera effect. No, thanks.

My guess would be that it's not so much a difference between projectors and OLEDs as it is a difference between old movies and new movies.

Personally I think that slow pixels is the wrong way to "fix" poor motion blur in movies.

Re: Sony Launches Bravia 9 II and Bravia 7 II with 'True RGB'

#19

Post by drcongo »

klausa wrote: post #16
bayindirh wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two reasons: Wider viewing angles and light reflection rejection. Not every TV is used by two people in a room devoid of lighting. Friends will come over, other things will be watched. Some people are very bothered when the ceiling lighting or sunlight from the window "alters" the image. Enthusiasts are an interesting bunch. Some features loved by others are grave flaws for others. One can't make everyone happy, so m…

> Not every TV is used by two people in a room devoid of lighting. Friends will come over, other things will be watched. Some people are very bothered when the ceiling lighting or sunlight from the window "alters" the image. > Enthusiasts are an interesting bunch. Some features loved by others are grave flaws for others. One can't make everyone happy, so matte screens are an acceptable compromise for it, AFAIK. You k…

Once the screen is 10ft away I doubt any human alive could perceive a sharpness difference from a nano texture.
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