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Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

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I'm going to go against the grain here and say this is probably a positive thing for Meta products, and honestly every other "free" service to provide these kinds of revenue avenues. How many times do we hear things like "if the product is free, you are the product" - well, the consequence of that is development resources tend to be pulled into directions that benefit advertisers. By having material subscription reve…

None of the packages mention anything about removing ads do they? They're some silly premium features like custom stickers and themes. I don't see anything about removing ads.

Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

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It's very difficult to do business in Western Europe without Whatsapp. I have probably asked more than 60 people to switch to Signal and the social burden it introduces (i.e. asking a new acquaintance to install a new app) can have negative signalling effects (e.g. you don't adapt, create more work, why do you care so much about privacy, etc.) I personally abhore Facebook (and IG,Whatsapp) and don't want to use any o…

I think it is interesting to see how fractured things are even in western Europe.

I'm in Scandinavia, and at least here, Messenger is by far the most dominant messaging app.

Meta in general has a really tight grip here.

Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

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You may not get ads in the app, but they can still sell your data for other services who will give you ads.

You WILL be getting ads in the app, though. There's nothing in the article that says you won't. This is like Snapchat's subscription. You get more features, but still have the ads. This isn't replacing "if it's free, you're the product", it's "if you're willing to pay, you're an even more valuable product".

Don't they already have some subscription to get rid of ads?

Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

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Telegram is fairly common in Western Europe

.. which is a worse option for different reasons than WhatsApp

Okay, what are the reasons? It's difficult to see how Meta is in any way more trustworthy than the country which Telegram is from. I trust TG secret chats much more than Whatsapp's supposed e2e.

Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

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You paying just signals that you're someone to push more ads to and to harvest more data on, since it means you have disposable income to spend on something as useless as instagram or facebook. Meta isn't going to stop harvesting all your information just because you pay for a subscription, they'll harvest and sell your data AND take your money.

> You paying just signals that you're someone to push more ads to and to harvest more data on No, qqtt is correct that if you're paying, you get a vote. It may not be all that much of a vote, but it's more than you'd have if you weren't paying, and Meta will pay attention to it. For a recent example of how this works, consider that with the post-October-7th wave of pro-Palestinian activism on US college campuses, a l…

The 'vote' is real. But it is 'darwinian'. It's not that animals develop a certain adaptation on purpose in order to survive. Instead, out of many random changes an adaptation emerges by selection: those that are the most advantageous get the chance to pass on their genes.

If everybody stops using meta apps and starts using signal, bluesky, mastodon, etc., meta would instantly transform their business (if they still can make a profit).

The problem is, subtly harvesting data from and even shoveling ads into paid subscriptions actually doesn't make consumers immediately and massively cancel their subs. So you can make a profit from subscriptions alone, or make an even larger profit by also collecting and monetizing your customers data. Guess who will win?

Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

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It's very difficult to do business in Western Europe without Whatsapp. I have probably asked more than 60 people to switch to Signal and the social burden it introduces (i.e. asking a new acquaintance to install a new app) can have negative signalling effects (e.g. you don't adapt, create more work, why do you care so much about privacy, etc.) I personally abhore Facebook (and IG,Whatsapp) and don't want to use any o…

Same in Israel. Doctors, schools, etc all use WhatsApp. You can't live without it here.

Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

#357

It's very difficult to do business in Western Europe without Whatsapp. I have probably asked more than 60 people to switch to Signal and the social burden it introduces (i.e. asking a new acquaintance to install a new app) can have negative signalling effects (e.g. you don't adapt, create more work, why do you care so much about privacy, etc.) I personally abhore Facebook (and IG,Whatsapp) and don't want to use any o…

Telegram is fairly common in Western Europe

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Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

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These products already do what basically everyone wants them to do. The problem is now people are conditioned to having their privacy violated so they are still the product and they will pay to be the product. The network effects with a product like WhatsApp are strong so that this opens the door to dark patterns for the non paying customers. After enough time the same level of effort will go into the now subscriptio…

The YouTube app on Android is terrible, even with the premium. Autoplay has been notoriously broken for years

I have premium and for over a month I couldn’t save videos to playlists in the app.

Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

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post #11

I would pay $49.99/mo for an unlimited plan that brings me only my friends' status updates (not their hyper-political likes and comments), just their life updates. Daily stories are great too. But JUST that, no influencers, no ads. I realize Meta's data shows that our user revealed preferences tells them that we like all the dopamine hijacking garbage but that's like saying "Well users like drugs, so we gave them mor…

You can turn off political content in IG settings and additionally add hashtags/keywords to specifically filter out content that displeases you.

Re: Meta launches Instagram, Facebook, and WhatsApp subscriptions

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What are you talking about? Which server? They are federated systems with many independent servers.

And if the federated server you are on goes down. You lose everything. If the federated server you are on steals your information or censors you there is nothing you can do.

You have to choose a server that you trust. In centralized systems, you have no choice at all. If you can't find a trusted server, you can set up your own, ask a friend to do it for you, or pay someone to do this job. You are not bound to an artificial monopoly.
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