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Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by stateofinquiry »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #652
anigbrowl wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I don't think it's a good idea to bring your politics into a an enclosed pace like this where people are forced to be a captive audience, notwithstanding that I agree with theparticular sentiment expressed. > you have the right to express it Out in public sure. In an airplane you're in someone else's private space (ie the airline's) and everyone is not only confined with you in minimal comfort, they have no…

> In an airplane you're in someone else's private space (ie the airline's) and everyone is not only confined with you in minimal comfort, they have no way to leave. Its not private space. Its public because they sell tickets. Its like going to any other event, and I don’t think there’s a constitutional exception to free speech on airplanes where you can’t express your opinions.

I'm not sure if you are saying one can or can't express opinions on airliners.. but I do want to point out that the "contract of carriage" of most airlines is more restrictive than you might find for a ticketed event like a concert. You might want to read the one for United, just for fun (especially if you fly). https://www.united.com/en/us/fly/contract-of-carriage.html Rule 21, item H 16 even indicates that you can't smell bad. YMMV, but it is pretty far from a "public" space as I define one.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by stavros »

anujdeshpande wrote: post #719

In the hardware world, we use the abbrevation BOM (bill of materials) frequently. Needless to say, we use the full "Bill of materials" phrase when anyone on the call is at the airport or travelling in general.

One of my coworkers once told me that, unless I changed our hardware design, he'd be forced to add a buggy part to our bill of materials to handle the use case.

I had to call in a BOM threat.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by defrost »

steve1977 wrote: post #718
close04 wrote: post #689

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No contract is allowed to take away what the law gives you. Either the law says "except on a plane/ship/etc." (which is plausible) or the contract is invalid. Can you imagine how it would be if every contract you sign had a "I own you now, no backsies"?

That's not what I said though. I just said you're giving away liberties. For example, at home, I'm free to walk around nude and scream. On a plane, I'm not.

On a commercial passenger plane it's frowned upon.

On planes in general, many people jump nude for their 100th skydive - the original and best video of this has been scrubbed from youtube, but a quick search shows others.

Often screaming is included.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by UqWBcuFx6NV4r »

goodcanadian wrote: post #669
atoav wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what you're saying is if the captain doesn't like you because you're Zionist they can remove you?

That is exactly correct; it's his plane. I think he would face discipline from his airline after the fact, but in the moment, he is in charge.

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Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by invalidusernam3 »

Etheryte wrote: post #229
Insanity wrote: post #130

Which bomb would advertise itself as such.. this is something I’d expect in the movie Airplane!, not something to happen in real life.

You would think so, at the same time we live in a world where the £80 million Louvre heist was made possible by the fact that their surveillance system's password was "Louvre" [0]. [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/louvre-secur...

My girlfriend and I were staying at her sisters apartment one Christmas (while the sister and her partner were away). They made homemade kombucha which gave the apartment an overpowering smell. You couldn't escape it anywhere in the apartment, particularly the kitchen. On the first night of arriving while lying in bed my girlfriend wanted to connect to the wifi but we didn't know the password. I guessed it first attempt, and yes it was kombucha

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by hinata08 »

Eridrus wrote: post #189
neilv wrote: post #178

I once consulted on some aviation-related software (not the safety work prominent on my resume), and a company announcement came through, that you must never use a few specific words commonly heard in software development. The two no-no words I recall were "crash" and "bomb". Don't write them in code or documents, don't say them on the phone or videoconf, etc. Those terms have senses that people in aviation take extr…

This is trying to sanewash totally insane levels of risk aversion. Do you think terrorists are really going to name their Bluetooth speaker "bomb"? Do you think this behaviour has any meaningful true positives? This is the kind of brainworms thinking that has people throwing our their 150ml liquids out at TSA and taking their shoes off.

>Do you think terrorists are really going to name their Bluetooth speaker "bomb"?

Yes

They're threatening to blow up an airliner or actually doing so to hit the news. 911 terrorists had blades, bomb jackets (whether these things are actual doesn't matter, saying you have them is enough), and eventually destroyed the tallest towers in NY and part of Pentagon and erased themselves while committing the crime

The point of terrorism is to be visible, dramatic and cause teror. It's not to get a stealth award for hacking the coupon system at the shop and get away with it

A bomb (real or not) planted by terrorists or hijackers is meant to be eventually known one way or another. It's the point

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by steve1977 »

defrost wrote: post #723
steve1977 wrote: post #718

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I said though. I just said you're giving away liberties. For example, at home, I'm free to walk around nude and scream. On a plane, I'm not.

On a commercial passenger plane it's frowned upon. On planes in general, many people jump nude for their 100th skydive - the original and best video of this has been scrubbed from youtube, but a quick search shows others. Often screaming is included.

On most commercial flights, it's not only frowned upon.

But if you want to f$ck around and find out, I'm sure it will make for a fun "How I Ended Up On the No Fly List" story.

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Post by defrost »

steve1977 wrote: post #728
defrost wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a commercial passenger plane it's frowned upon. On planes in general, many people jump nude for their 100th skydive - the original and best video of this has been scrubbed from youtube, but a quick search shows others. Often screaming is included.

On most commercial flights, it's not only frowned upon. But if you want to f$ck around and find out, I'm sure it will make for a fun "How I Ended Up On the No Fly List" story.

Been there, done that, still allowed to fly. Go figure.

Re: United Airlines 767 returns to Newark after Bluetooth name sparks alert

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Post by gaiagraphia »

Provides many opportunities for cheaper and more scalable methods of terrorism.

Don't need to actually get explosives on board, just a bluetooth device. Manage to get 10 planes at once, and you've got a nice bit of chaos on your hands.

Wonder how easy it'd be to reverse pickpocket some fitbits into jackets left laying around before you catch your flight to a 'non-aligned country'.

Could cause lots of havoc with pre-planted speakers, too. Setting off random sirens at maximum volume, telling people to evacuate, etc. I wonder what the security solution would be if people started causing terror via text and sound.

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