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Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by moondev »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #13
cyanydeez wrote: post #10

competitor is already on the market and is x86: AMD AI 395+ bechmarks with DGX arnt spectacular for NVIDIAs software and CUDA lead. wouldnt count on this being a price/compute challenger. especially with overpriced VRAM.

Or like a m4 max? This thing has All those CUDA cores in the sparks but they're starved for memory bandwidth. I am still waiting for NVidia to release a system that legit beats 3090 maxxing for the home gamer...

  Spark:
  OS: Windows/Ubuntu
  Mbw: 300GB/s
  Cuda cores: 6000
  GPU accelerated containers: yes


  M5 max:
  OS: macOS
  Mbw: 600GB/s
  Cuda cores: 0
  GPU accelerated containers: no

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by fhn »

jfim wrote: post #9
try-working wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully MSFT would look at this as a do or die system, and go all in on improving the user and ownership experience. Will they? Not so sure.

That's what they're working on, in theory, with Windows K2.

I would never trust Microsoft. Their next drama is revoking Office 2019 perpetual licenses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRnno9VIZx0. It never ends with them because they know they have you by the balls.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by throwa356262 »

I have no idea how powerful or power efficient these guys are, but this seems to be the first step in a bigger push towards Windows on ARM (without loosing gaming).

I think more announcements will follow soon from other companies.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by SilverElfin »

__atx__ wrote: post #18
SilverElfin wrote: post #2

It all sounds good on paper. But I have trouble believing Windows can be a good platform for this. Microsoft has lost all trust after inserting ads into windows, slowly removing power user features, and exploiting every dark pattern they can. And for years, the ARM based Windows laptops have been useless due to app compatibility issues. Why would this change now? Is it priced to be a lot cheaper than Apple’s laptops?…

The "gaming" take is a strange one indeed for an ARM platform. Hopefully they (Microsoft or Nvidia?) put some real effort into the translation layer. They claim modern AAA games, but it is possible they strongarmed the developers to make them an ARM build for a few select titles...

Yep. I noticed the press releases talk about all the partners they have. It seems like a desperate attempt to manufacture a consensus to invest in this new hardware instead of leaving it sort of abandoned like the other Windows ARM stuff. But the problem is that these attempts end up having a few very visible apps working on the architecture and others not actually doing anything substantial.

Sure the graphics capabilities are probably very good. But if you’re a game developer who has traditionally built on Windows on x86 chips, would you want to invest in this new chip or invest in making games for the Apple ecosystem? Aren’t there more new customers to reach in the Apple world than this new Nvidia world?

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by trvz »

zmk5 wrote: post #12

I really like this, but I think the reason Apple Silicon took off was that Apple sort of forced devs to support ARM. Not sure if Microsoft can do the same for Windows…

They didn’t though. Rosetta 2.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by ma2kx »

Unified RAM means its soldered to the mainboard, right?

I'm not sure if I like this. Sure for a laptop this might be not a big problem but if this ARM ecosystem is a success it will spread to desktop computers and I fear we could lose the existing modularity.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by andsoitis »

SilverElfin wrote: post #24
__atx__ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "gaming" take is a strange one indeed for an ARM platform. Hopefully they (Microsoft or Nvidia?) put some real effort into the translation layer. They claim modern AAA games, but it is possible they strongarmed the developers to make them an ARM build for a few select titles...

Yep. I noticed the press releases talk about all the partners they have. It seems like a desperate attempt to manufacture a consensus to invest in this new hardware instead of leaving it sort of abandoned like the other Windows ARM stuff. But the problem is that these attempts end up having a few very visible apps working on the architecture and others not actually doing anything substantial. Sure the graphics capabi…

> But if you’re a game developer who has traditionally built on Windows on x86 chips, would you want to invest in this new chip or invest in making games for the Apple ecosystem?

Windows and the new chip. Higher developer productivity and higher chances of a substantial audience.

Re: Nvidia RTX Spark

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Post by Skinney »

ma2kx wrote: post #27

Unified RAM means its soldered to the mainboard, right? I'm not sure if I like this. Sure for a laptop this might be not a big problem but if this ARM ecosystem is a success it will spread to desktop computers and I fear we could lose the existing modularity.

"Unified" means that it's shared between CPU and GPU, I believe.

But yes, it tends to be soldered on.

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